I think we have opposing views on many subjects, including this one. Nevertheless, hats off to you for going out and canvassing.
Certainly more than I did.
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Certainly more than I did.
nicko31
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Tbf to @London Irish he does a lot more than many do to underpin his beliefs and support his party, he’s a do’er most just spout off on social media and re quote what others have said on Twitter
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It’s different IMO.
I absolutely agree with the unsolicited door knocking being infuriating but doorstep canvassing more often than not now targets people that already support the party or have done in the previous election. Most doorstep work is leafleting these days. At least that’s my working experience of canvassing for the Labour Party in recent elections.
I’m also not sure it is possible to have ’coherent arguments’ online tbh - when it comes to politics, it’s often a case of the majority of posters on a thread one-sidedly enjoying an echo chamber while piling on against anyone that holds an alternative view; or those with a minority view not participating at all because they feel outnumbered; or some perhaps resort to making ad hominem attacks against those that post the majority opinion because for them that seems the only way to ‘balance’ an argument (which they see heavily weighted in favour of the majority). For me this damages debate, not enhances it.
Moreover, having discussions around highly contentious issues with people hiding behind the mask of anonymity means threads too often turn into binfests with a minority of people making the sort of personal attacks on people, they would likely not make to someone’s face, putting off others who could offer much to the discussion.
For me this damages debate, not enhances it.
I agree though, from many years of canvassing, doorstep discussions rarely change people’s mind either but they do invigorate voter turnout and participation and people are far more likely to vote for a party that has made personal contact or actually just bother to vote at all because they’ve been handed a leaflet.
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Thunder Bolt
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Remember the Seagulls Party? Weeks of leafleting in Newhaven, and in a by election in Ringmer for Lord Bracknell the time before that?Tbf to @London Irish he does a lot more than many do to underpin his beliefs and support his party, he’s a do’er most just spout off on social media and re quote what others have said on Twitter
When someone is a party member, it's what they do. It was fun
Quoting people from X(formerly Twitter) is one way of making sure the quote is accurate rather than I heard Johnson say this or Corbyn say that.
Btw I did demonstrate on Cliffe Bridge in Lewes when the government was being prorogued until the High Court said it was unlawful. That was fun with lots of people stopping to talk.
I don't need your approval either.
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Yes of course because NSC has a wonderful history of coherent arguments where those at the opposite on the other side have sat up and listened eh
Or where somebody on the other side has had their case so comprehensively dismantled by a series of coherent explanations, that they have had to revert to the NSC ignore function
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Martin 'sweetie' Webster? Or the other one (Tyndall) that liked to dress up in Nazi style clothing surrounded by young blond boys? 'Led' is a bit generous. I doubt that shouting to a rabble really amounts to leadership. Same views as them? Don't know, don't care. I'm not particularly interested in what shade or flavour of **** a **** is. They are all ****s, and that's all that matters.
Tebbit? Not as far right as Anderson, I would suggest. And far more gentlemanly. And I had no time for him. Talked too slowly and always sounded, without saying anything particularly florid, like someone who if they found a cat, would drown the cat. Still alive, and heaven knows he's miserable now.
I think one of the things about Anderson is his lack of filter. He's capable of going anywhere and saying anything.
Meanwhile, a former soul-mate of his, a tory donor, is in the news for saying that former labour PM (she las lost the whip after her own foolish comments about gypsies) should be shot. Really? Shot?
These latter people are fascists.
Abbot, incidentally, wanted to play racism 'top trumps', suggesting that gypsies don't suffer like black people. So Starmer did what he did with Jezza and with Wrong-Bailey. To be honest, the defenestration of Abbot passed me by. Which, in the great scheme of things, is nice. Starmer waits for the twerps to machine-gun themselves in the foot then dispatches them with minimum fuss.
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Only if you got to shag prince Charles.
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I remember someone (I had never heard of) moved to make personal and unfounded comments about me on here when they lost their shit over my critical comments about Johnson the liar.
It reminded me of the Millwall supporter who lost his shit at the sound of jubilant Albion supporters singing after our win that the new Den, and tried to climb an unclimbable fence to get at them (I had been in a home stand and was wandering among the unwashed, incognito). A policeman gently pulled him down, and he trudged off, fuming and disconsolate. It was tremendously amusing. Sorry, but it was.
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This report contradicts what you claim. There were three main reasons, two of which strongly linked to Brexit, for people not voting Labour. Negativity around Corbyn played a part, but it was a Brexit election first and foremost.
The Tory position was clear. The Labour position (Starmer’s) was unclear to the public.
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I agree.
Except . . . . it wasn't Starmer's position that was unclear, because he was not Labour leader. I hadn't even heard of him when Corbyn lost the general election.
aolstudios
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Foolish comments about gypsies & *Jews*. Again. Always the Jews with these ****s.
The fact that someone was racist about her doesn't alter the fact that she's a stupid f***ing racist
aolstudios
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Wow, you must've had to scrabble around to find that!
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From the Labour Party’s 2019 Election Review
Confusing messaging about Brexit, losing low income voters, in party fighting, historical trends but Jeremy’s Corbyn’s likeability ratings (is that a word?!) played a key part in Labour’s 2019 Election defeat:
Confusing messaging about Brexit, losing low income voters, in party fighting, historical trends but Jeremy’s Corbyn’s likeability ratings (is that a word?!) played a key part in Labour’s 2019 Election defeat:
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And people on here claim he’s not a fascist.
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It really does sum up the situation, that the current cabal are now haemorrhaging their last dregs of support to the Reform party because, despite sterling attempts to the contrary, their MPs aren't sufficiently vigorous with their racism.
There's been plenty of warnings of what people have actually been voting for over the last 10 years, but they were ignored and here we are
There's been plenty of warnings of what people have actually been voting for over the last 10 years, but they were ignored and here we are
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I have just listened again to Lee Anderson's remarks at the press conference when he announced his defection to Reform UK. Quite frankly it is very very difficult to disagree with anything he said.
He wants his country back. So do we all. This is not the same country we enjoyed growing up in a few decades back.
He is concerned about immigration both legal and illegal. So should we all be.
He wants to be able to speak his mind. Everyone should be able to speak his/her mind. If you don't agree then don't listen.
He is concerned about the London Mayor. So should we all be wherever we live. The man does everything he can to antagonize Londoners and everyone who visits our capital city.
He is concerned about the massive rise in shoplifting which the police seem to ignore. Tough to argue with that.
He is concerned about people living here who hate our way of life. Who is going to argue with that?
He worries about the culture war and people trying to erase our history. So am I and millions of others.
Sound to me as though the guy speaks a lot of common sense. Extreme? No.
He wants his country back. So do we all. This is not the same country we enjoyed growing up in a few decades back.
He is concerned about immigration both legal and illegal. So should we all be.
He wants to be able to speak his mind. Everyone should be able to speak his/her mind. If you don't agree then don't listen.
He is concerned about the London Mayor. So should we all be wherever we live. The man does everything he can to antagonize Londoners and everyone who visits our capital city.
He is concerned about the massive rise in shoplifting which the police seem to ignore. Tough to argue with that.
He is concerned about people living here who hate our way of life. Who is going to argue with that?
He worries about the culture war and people trying to erase our history. So am I and millions of others.
Sound to me as though the guy speaks a lot of common sense. Extreme? No.
You crack on with your 30p dinners
back to the good old days