[Football] League Two do you promote Barrow ?

[Easy 10]

Yes. This. Well said.

Probably won’t happen, sadly.

Actually, I'm starting to think it will. The longer this goes on the more the viable options will begin to whittle down. Its May 1st - if in 2 months time we are still in any form of lockdown, with self-isolating still the order of the day, then I just cannot see how football can possibly recommence, regardless of behind closed doors at neutral venues etc etc.

There will come a point where they'll have to accept this season is a write-off. I see 3 Bundesliga players have already tested positive today - once that happens here, its game over man. Game over.

 

[Dorset Seagull]

Actually, I'm starting to think it will. The longer this goes on the more the viable options will begin to whittle down. Its May 1st - if in 2 months time we are still in any form of lockdown, with self-isolating still the order of the day, then I just cannot see how football can possibly recommence, regardless of behind closed doors at neutral venues etc etc.

There will come a point where they'll have to accept this season is a write-off. I see 3 Bundesliga players have already tested positive today - once that happens here, its game over man. Game over.

There is the small matter of the money that will have to be returned to the broadcasters if the season is voided......thats the problem here

 

[Easy 10]

There is the small matter of the money that will have to be returned to the broadcasters if the season is voided......thats the problem here

The EPL need the broadcasters as much as the broadcasters need the EPL.

When this season remains unfinished, they will all have to get round a table and come to a new deal. Maybe the clubs get to retain this seasons money (even though it won't be finished), but come to a mutual agreement to sell next seasons EPL broadcasting rights at a discount.

Yes I know the deals are already in place, but that's by the by now, nobody could've foreseen this. So its in everyone's interests to devise a new rights deal to accommodate the new sporting landscape that we are now all in. If the broadcasters want to play hardball and send clubs to the wall, then they're not going to have much of a product to sell when the game eventually comes back.

 

[Swansman]

Even though I think the season should be nulled and II dont think football should be played until at least August, I could see the logic in bringing them up, to get 92 teams.

However since their lead was quite small, it wouldnt be fair. But that lack of fairness could sort itself out. I'm fairly certain a few L2 clubs wont make it, a lot were in a difficult situation economically and to a few of those this pandemic should mean the end (unless its economically a blessing in the disguise to some, which is not completely unrealistic either).

Maybe those clubs could be replaced with National League top clubs that for whatever reason have the economical strength to get through this. That way fewer would have anything to complain about.

 

[Wardy's twin]

There seems to be a view that we need to complete this season so we can start next season say late August but what if sports and other venues are still not allowed to be open? Are they saying at the start of next season games will still be played behind closed doors? If so this could move the goalposts considerably with games being played for the world audience even more than they are now.

 

[Insel affe]

Even though I think the season should be nulled and II dont think football should be played until at least August, I could see the logic in bringing them up, to get 92 teams.

However since their lead was quite small, it wouldnt be fair. But that lack of fairness could sort itself out. I'm fairly certain a few L2 clubs wont make it, a lot were in a difficult situation economically and to a few of those this pandemic should mean the end (unless its economically a blessing in the disguise to some, which is not completely unrealistic either).

Maybe those clubs could be replaced with National League top clubs that for whatever reason have the economical strength to get through this. That way fewer would have anything to complain about.

I think the EPL & FA should set aside some money to help clubs in trouble, I would imagine some clubs higher up the food chain in the championship could also face the wall if this disaster rolled into and affected next season, there could be gaps and clubs disappearing in all three leagues below the Premier League, you simple can’t move clubs up to fill those gaps because they were say 1 or 2 points higher in an unfinished league.

Void this season, leagues stay as is, no promotion, no relegation, see how long and how many clubs if any go to the wall and then when we are ready to start, then jiggle it round. Obviously have a plan, but until we know more anything else is just unfair

 

[Pavilionaire]

If the 2019/20 season is voided then a whole load of appearances, goals, assists, red cards, wins, losses etc render cumulative Prem stats meaningless. Liverpool have equalled or broken long- standing Prem records and yet by voiding the season they will be wiped from the records books.. The fact is you cannot undone what has actually happened, and what they've done is as good as anything we've seen previously in the Prem.

Just do average points per game, bottom two down, top two from the Championship up, no play-offs a d - yes Barrow to take Bury's place in the EFL.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

If the 2019/20 season is voided then a whole load of appearances, goals, assists, red cards, wins, losses etc render cumulative Prem stats meaningless. Liverpool have equalled or broken long- standing Prem records and yet by voiding the season they will be wiped from the records books.. The fact is you cannot undone what has actually happened, and what they've done is as good as anything we've seen previously in the Prem.

Just do average points per game, bottom two down, top two from the Championship up, no play-offs a d - yes Barrow to take Bury's place in the EFL.

I agree....but...

We can't finish now so....

We voted to leave so....

Nobody voted for a coalition, so....

Eees complicated....

 

[Swansman]

I think the EPL & FA should set aside some money to help clubs in trouble, I would imagine some clubs higher up the food chain in the championship could also face the wall if this disaster rolled into and affected next season, there could be gaps and clubs disappearing in all three leagues below the Premier League, you simple can’t move clubs up to fill those gaps because they were say 1 or 2 points higher in an unfinished league.

They definitely will set aside some money, but there is some clubs in the lower divisions where the owners are not "incompetent" as most fans think, but straight up criminals that will find ways to move any money received to shady companies where they have collaborators.

Steve Dale is a prime example of someone who is not an idiot, but a thief, and there's more of his kind. Fraud, money laundry, asset stripping, possibly even match fixing... If you land these ****ers a bag of money, they'll take it and run because the future of their shady businesses are turning unpredictable and they know when its time to go, looking like idiots rather than criminals.

With or without economical relief, some clubs are not going to make it.

I agree that if this rolls on and most of/the whole next season, the consequences are going to be far more dramatic than promoting/not promoting Barrow. I think in that scenario the whole English Football League may be rearranged, and probably slimmed down. If the whole next season is scrapped as well, there's not going to be 92 professional football clubs in the UK.

 

[Rugrat]

Not sure about just Barrow. By the time the dust has settled on this there may well be a whole load more empty slots to fill

Edit: Should've read what he ^ said and not wasted my breath!

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

Shit hole, they can stay down.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Tricky.

4 points ahead of Harrogate, but still have to play at Harrogate - which potentially would see the gap reduce down to 1 point. And Harrogate had previously won 3-0 at Barrow.

It's a very slim margin to make the call on.

I'd have 1 behind closed doors play-off match between the 2 teams at a neutral venue to decide it.

 

[Eddiespearritt]

If the 2019/20 season is voided then a whole load of appearances, goals, assists, red cards, wins, losses etc render cumulative Prem stats meaningless. Liverpool have equalled or broken long- standing Prem records and yet by voiding the season they will be wiped from the records books.. The fact is you cannot undone what has actually happened, and what they've done is as good as anything we've seen previously in the Prem.

Just do average points per game, bottom two down, top two from the Championship up, no play-offs a d - yes Barrow to take Bury's place in the EFL.

Quite an irony given that Sky have wiped any football records that existed before 1992 from the record books - which annoys me intensely. In effect Liverpool have no history at all because they've never won the Premier League - and perhaps they never will - officially.

 

[GT49er]

Quite an irony given that Sky have wiped any football records that existed before 1992 from the record books - which annoys me intensely. In effect Liverpool have no history at all because they've never won the Premier League - and perhaps they never will - officially.

Excellent point!

 

[drew]

If the 2019/20 season is voided then a whole load of appearances, goals, assists, red cards, wins, losses etc render cumulative Prem stats meaningless. Liverpool have equalled or broken long- standing Prem records and yet by voiding the season they will be wiped from the records books.. The fact is you cannot undone what has actually happened, and what they've done is as good as anything we've seen previously in the Prem.

Just do average points per game, bottom two down, top two from the Championship up, no play-offs a d - yes Barrow to take Bury's place in the EFL.

But you can just wipe it from the records. Whatever happens, this season will not be a normal season, we all know that. Void the season and start again when safe and with every club knowing what will happen if that season gets cancelled before completion. Either wipe the slate, average points, take each division back to a point where everyone has played the same, in our case we would lose the point at Wolves. Won't make a difference to us or the clubs at the bottom. Can't be arsed to look at how it affects the other leagues.

This problem could have been anticipated and provision written into the rules of the EPL.

 

[Leekbrookgull]

Surely the first issue is to get L2 back to 24 and go from there ?

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

yes

and Weymouth to the National League while your at it

but I am bias

 

[atfc village]

yes

and Weymouth to the National League while your at it

but I am bias

Moles has done a decent job down there.

 

[GREASED WEASEL]

Moles has done a decent job down there.

would be a good day out for you to

 

[Brighton Rock Podcast]

More and more I think finishing this season next year might be the best option. Get over the winter, hopefully there will be a vaccine ... start up again in March '21.

I’ve been an advocate of this.