Large protest tonight Brighton!

[rogersix]

I thought a civil war with a higher death rate per capita of the population than WW1 essentially got my nation on the path to a parliamentary democracy?

History is definitely changing, Cromwell was a lefty and his new model army were merely protesting at Naseby.........someone better tell the Irish that Drogedha was no worse than Greenham common.

where did it start, sweetie?

 

[rogersix]

Exercising their white privileges
Regards
DF

your short attention span defines pathos

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

your short attention span defines pathos

Looks like you were on a roll last night , calling people names is so yesterday
Regards
DF

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Indeed BREXIT was a very good example where the government made it into a confrontational issue of us and them, victors and losers trying to alienate a large % of their population which they are supposed to represent. What's even more strange is that you and Ppf go on about democracy without understanding what it really is , nor do you understand Parliamentary democracy (which is not the same) where you elect people to make decisions on your behalf based on their interpretation of what is best. When they don't agree with you they are called traitors.

When you're constituency has voted one way and your MP decides another it could end up with said MP being kicked out
https://youtu.be/Oh_YKZf8aYI
Regards
DF

 

[Baker lite]

When you're constituency has voted one way and your MP decides another it could end up with said MP being kicked out
https://youtu.be/Oh_YKZf8aYI
Regards
DF

One of the highlights of the evening that night [emoji23]


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[Wardy's twin]

When you're constituency has voted one way and your MP decides another it could end up with said MP being kicked out
https://youtu.be/Oh_YKZf8aYI
Regards
DF

Agreed and that is part of the 'parliamentary democracy' chain although it has often been hijacked by both the left(momentum) and right(ERG) to have their views dominate rather than those of the man in the street and that has cost the seats for many moderates.

But if we get back to the original point of what do you do when you come up against the establishment brick wall there are basically two options , you do nothing and hope that things will change or you take more assertive action to make sure your opinion is listened to. So do i condone violence on police or indeed anyone, the answer is no but where people are left with no option then i can see how things escalate.

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Indeed BREXIT was a very good example where the government made it into a confrontational issue of us and them, victors and losers trying to alienate a large % of their population which they are supposed to represent. What's even more strange is that you and Ppf go on about democracy without understanding what it really is , nor do you understand Parliamentary democracy (which is not the same) where you elect people to make decisions on your behalf based on their interpretation of what is best. When they don't agree with you they are called traitors.

Speaking of not understanding. Our parliamentarians, by a huge majority, voted to give us a chance to have our say on EU membership in a referendum, a democratically elected government was then elected with a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum and promised to enact that decision no matter the outcome, the government and official opposition both committed to enacting the referendum result. They delegated the choice to the people Anyone seeking to renege on their promises/manifesto commitments could justifiably be called all sorts of names ... undemocratic loons, traitors, Lib Dems etc

 

[JC Footy Genius]

Agreed and that is part of the 'parliamentary democracy' chain although it has often been hijacked by both the left(momentum) and right(ERG) to have their views dominate rather than those of the man in the street and that has cost the seats for many moderates.

But if we get back to the original point of what do you do when you come up against the establishment brick wall there are basically two options , you do nothing and hope that things will change or you take more assertive action to make sure your opinion is listened to. So do i condone violence on police or indeed anyone, the answer is no but where people are left with no option then i can see how things escalate.

But (as you know) people in the Uk do have other options, lobby your democratically elected representatives, resort to law if you think a breach of the law has occurred or campaign lawfully to change policy/minds. The problem with a lot of protests these days is they go straight to direct action/breaking the law.

 

[Wardy's twin]

Speaking of not understanding. Our parliamentarians, by a huge majority, voted to give us a chance to have our say on EU membership in a referendum, a democratically elected government was then elected with a manifesto commitment to hold a referendum and promised to enact that decision no matter the outcome, the government and official opposition both committed to enacting the referendum result. They delegated the choice to the people Anyone seeking to renege on their promises/manifesto commitments could justifiably be called all sorts of names ... undemocratic loons, traitors, Lib Dems etc

People were given a referendum because the Tory party was worried it would disappear into the night as it lost its support to UKIP. The labour party under JC was also anti EU so no opposition to a vote as he saw he had nothing to lose. Most MPs agreed to let the vote happen as they thought the British people can't be that stupid as to vote to leave also giving no thought to how the use of a referendum brings into question the whole parliamentary process. They were arrogant and stupid and certainly misread the mood of the country (or 52% of it). But once they realised they had got it wrong they tried to fight it , too late and without enough purpose with party divisions weakening the remainer cause.

Note first past the post and democracy are not the same thing, democracy is about compromise and consent.

So getting back on topic , what should have happened is both the Tory & Labour MPs should have done more to represent the views of their constituents BEFORE there was any vote and they needed to try to understand why Farage was gaining votes (from both left and right) and what were the real underlying issues. In this particular instance all pressure was released by leaving the EU but let's be clear had it not happened the right wing would have been on the streets.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Agreed and that is part of the 'parliamentary democracy' chain although it has often been hijacked by both the left(momentum) and right(ERG) to have their views dominate rather than those of the man in the street and that has cost the seats for many moderates.

But if we get back to the original point of what do you do when you come up against the establishment brick wall there are basically two options , you do nothing and hope that things will change or you take more assertive action to make sure your opinion is listened to. So do i condone violence on police or indeed anyone, the answer is no but where people are left with no option then i can see how things escalate.

These demos are just a small minority being given exposure by the left orientated media I would imagine most people in this country have had enough of them
Regards
DF

 

[Baker lite]

These demos are just a small minority being given exposure by the left orientated media I would imagine most people in this country have had enough of them
Regards
DF

Get the water cannons on the soap dodging leftwitts.


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[Wardy's twin]

Get the water cannons on the soap dodging leftwitts.


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The water canons that Boris bought that did not work?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Get the water cannons on the soap dodging leftwitts.


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And a bit of tear gas to give them something to cry about
Regards
DF

 

[Wardy's twin]

But (as you know) people in the Uk do have other options, lobby your democratically elected representatives, resort to law if you think a breach of the law has occurred or campaign lawfully to change policy/minds. The problem with a lot of protests these days is they go straight to direct action/breaking the law.

The problem with a lot of protests these days is they go straight to direct action/breaking the law. I guess all football fans are hooligans bent on causing trouble and beating people up, perhaps fans should be banned from all games.

Not all protests are violent but this will reduce the opportunity for passive demonstration which will lead to more extreme protest.

 

[The Clamp]

Traitors?

 

[The Clamp]

Traitor?

 

[The Clamp]

Traitors?

 

[The Clamp]

Traitor?

 

[The Clamp]

Traitors?

 

[The Clamp]

Traitors?