[Politics] Labour Party meltdown incoming.......

[Thunder Bolt]

"More charisma than Starmer" is what I said. Mind you, a wet dish cloth has more charisma than Sir Keir so not a high bar.

On the contrary, I’ve met him twice and found him interesting. Not everybody has a tv personality and thank goodness for that.

 

[Colonel Mustard]

The Telegraph keeps coming out with this nonsense. Starmer is a barrister, an absolutely top-drawer barrister. What he does is marshall arguments and use it against opponents - be they other lawyers or politicians. He tied Johnson up in knots - his understated "I'll just leave it there" was the first step towards Johnson's removal. He now gives Sunak a hard time at PMQ, reducing him to mentions of Corbyn. Starmer also makes Sunak ask him questions, leading to regular references to him being happy to step in as prime minister. Sunak is protected to a certain extent by Speaker Hoyle - that won't happen in televised debates, the presenters will smell blood in the water and won't let him waffle.

The debates are going to be Starmer's natural territory and claims that he'll be frightened of them is wishful thinking.

This was the prediction that Sir Keir would be 'forensic' and 'surgical' in his debating style? I can’t say I’ve noticed it yet. I also think it’s of more use in the courtroom than in election politics. Floating voters are rarely won over by cold logic and debating points. Emotional connection is more important. His team knows this is important, hence Sir Keir always going on about football and going to 'the Arsenal' with his mates. If he pulls it off, fair play to him. But I still find him a dreary, uninspiring type. Rishi is little better. We'll have to wait and see with the debates. People who already had a strong dislike of one of them will still have a strong dislike after them, but we don’t matter. It’s the uncommitted who are the important ones. Believe it or not, most people take no interest in politics at all between elections.

 

[aolstudios]

I do think it’ll be a huge majority.

47% against 20% is unprecedented, moreover in safe Tory seats the goons voting for Reform will allow other parties in.

If the 3% who always hate on our country, the bitter left, try to ruin it for Labour, I think it’ll be a case of who really gives a f*ck?

Fun fact. Simon Kirby is an Albion sth in my area in the North stand.

Been next to me all the Amex years

 

[Colonel Mustard]

So she isn't barred then.

She isn’t barred yet but has also not been nominated to stand either. She’s awaiting a decision. On current form I will predict she won’t get the go-ahead but we’ll see.

 

[aolstudios]

Yep. Every organization, no matter how virtuous, has its headbanger followers.

Look at the North Stand at the Amex. Some of the sorts you find there are quite extraordinary and yet the overall whole is largely virtuous. Or so it seems from my vantage point in west upper

Outraged.
There's nothing virtuous about me

 

[aolstudios]

The Telegraph keeps coming out with this nonsense. Starmer is a barrister, an absolutely top-drawer barrister. What he does is marshall arguments and use it against opponents - be they other lawyers or politicians. He tied Johnson up in knots - his understated "I'll just leave it there" was the first step towards Johnson's removal. He now gives Sunak a hard time at PMQ, reducing him to mentions of Corbyn. Starmer also makes Sunak ask him questions, leading to regular references to him being happy to step in as prime minister. Sunak is protected to a certain extent by Speaker Hoyle - that won't happen in televised debates, the presenters will smell blood in the water and won't let him waffle.

The debates are going to be Starmer's natural territory and claims that he'll be frightened of them is wishful thinking.

Spot on

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Been next to me all the Amex years

Say hello the next time you walk past me.

 

[Giraffe]

I see Kier was called out for wearing a £500 jacket. I don’t see what the issue is personally but apparently the socialists would rather he wore a bin bag and stunk.

 

[Gwylan]

Emotional connection is more important. His team knows this is important, hence Sir Keir always going on about football and going to 'the Arsenal' with his mates. If he pulls it off, fair play to him. But I still find him a dreary, uninspiring type. Rishi is little better. We'll have to wait and see with the debates. People who already had a strong dislike of one of them will still have a strong dislike after them, but we don’t matter. It’s the uncommitted who are the important ones. Believe it or not, most people take no interest in politics at all between elections.

This is true - Starmer is not the greatest speaker (but neither is Sunak). However, there have been several Labour leaders who have been good speakers - Kinnock was one and Foot was a brilliant speaker, he'd empty the Commons bars when he spoke in debates. That didn't get Labour far either.

 

[MJsGhost]

This was the prediction that Sir Keir would be 'forensic' and 'surgical' in his debating style? I can’t say I’ve noticed it yet. I also think it’s of more use in the courtroom than in election politics. Floating voters are rarely won over by cold logic and debating points. Emotional connection is more important. His team knows this is important, hence Sir Keir always going on about football and going to 'the Arsenal' with his mates. If he pulls it off, fair play to him. But I still find him a dreary, uninspiring type. Rishi is little better. We'll have to wait and see with the debates. People who already had a strong dislike of one of them will still have a strong dislike after them, but we don’t matter. It’s the uncommitted who are the important ones. Believe it or not, most people take no interest in politics at all between elections.

Neither are exactly charismatic men of the people, but Rishi Sunak always seems really chippy that he has to even try to 'win people over'.

He strikes me as someone who thinks his plan / policy has been so well thought through, that the only people who don't buy into it are too stupid to see why it's brilliant. As soon as he sees that someone isn't on board with it, he gets tetchy.

He's going to be an absolute liability in this campaign and I suspect he'll just get chippier and chippier. If he could campaign by PowerPoint, he would (and it would probably be more effective than putting him in front of anyone other than Tory party members - who all still wish they had Boris instead anyway).

 

[WATFORD zero]

There certainly seems to be a new found camaraderie and sense of purpose between the 'shy' supporters of the current far right government and the far left of the Labour party on this thread.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" or "Two cheeks of the same arse" ? Maybe we should have a poll

 

[Pavilionaire]

This was the prediction that Sir Keir would be 'forensic' and 'surgical' in his debating style? I can’t say I’ve noticed it yet. I also think it’s of more use in the courtroom than in election politics. Floating voters are rarely won over by cold logic and debating points. Emotional connection is more important. His team knows this is important, hence Sir Keir always going on about football and going to 'the Arsenal' with his mates. If he pulls it off, fair play to him. But I still find him a dreary, uninspiring type. Rishi is little better. We'll have to wait and see with the debates. People who already had a strong dislike of one of them will still have a strong dislike after them, but we don’t matter. It’s the uncommitted who are the important ones. Believe it or not, most people take no interest in politics at all between elections.

If Starmer brings his skills as a KC to these TV debates then I - for one - will be enjoying an emotional connection as he forensically and surgically takes down Sunak, the Tories and the past 14 years of absolute grifting and chicanery.

This could turn into Sunak in the dock under attack by the Prosecution for crimes against the British people over a 14 year period.

Sunak called for 6 of these debates. I bet after the end of the first one he'll be glad there are only 2 more to go and not 5.

 

[pb21]

This was the prediction that Sir Keir would be 'forensic' and 'surgical' in his debating style? I can’t say I’ve noticed it yet. I also think it’s of more use in the courtroom than in election politics. Floating voters are rarely won over by cold logic and debating points. Emotional connection is more important. His team knows this is important, hence Sir Keir always going on about football and going to 'the Arsenal' with his mates. If he pulls it off, fair play to him. But I still find him a dreary, uninspiring type. Rishi is little better. We'll have to wait and see with the debates. People who already had a strong dislike of one of them will still have a strong dislike after them, but we don’t matter. It’s the uncommitted who are the important ones. Believe it or not, most people take no interest in politics at all between elections.

You may argue that Starmer comes across as grey and boring, but to suggest Sunak has better "emotional connection" is bizzare IMO. He comes across as heavily choreographed and as false and sincere as a used car salesman on speed!

 

[MJsGhost]

If Starmer brings his skills as a KC to these TV debates then I - for one - will be enjoying an emotional connection as he forensically and surgically takes down Sunak, the Tories and the past 14 years of absolute grifting and chicanery.

Make that two!

 

[aolstudios]

There certainly seems to be a new found camaraderie and sense of purpose between the 'shy' supporters of the current far right government and the far left of the Labour party on this thread.

"The enemy of my enemy is my friend" or "Two cheeks of the same arse" ? Maybe we should have a poll

Horseshoe, innit

 

[aolstudios]

Say hello the next time you walk past me.

I'll be the guy almost late, sleepy & grunting "cheers mate"

 

[pigmanovich]

Horseshoe, innit

If you ignore most days, when the left is railing against the excesses of the right more than anyone in the center, sure.

 

[armchairclubber]

So it's looking like Faiza Shaheen will be standing as an Independent

 

[LamieRobertson]

Sunak has ZERO charisma. He’s like a wimpy schoolboy.

Charisma? Holy cow.

Sunak will get flustered and lose his cool. Starmer will be calm and steady.

Too short ..oh sorry wrong thread

Nah I was right first time

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I see Kier was called out for wearing a £500 jacket. I don’t see what the issue is personally but apparently the socialists would rather he wore a bin bag and stunk.

Journalists will always criticise something. Michael Foot was wrong in wearing a donkey jacket.