[Politics] Labour Leader would step down.

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

but it is a fact he called for Johnson to resign simply because he was being investigated by the police

Nope

 

[CHAPPERS]

I was under the impression that Durham police have already investigated the Labour event and found no breach, so the idea that Starmer should resign at this stage is a bit odd. The fact that the press have muddled together some bullshit and forced the police to look again is no reason for Starmer to step down.

Labour have also been constantly raising other issues, especially the cost of living crisis. They've been pushing the now popular idea of a windfall tax for months. Two weeks ago the Mail front page was screaming for the narrative to change, now they've front paged Starmer for over a week. Odd eh?

Maybe if the government actually had any answers to the current issues or indeed tried to confront them there would be something to discuss.

 

[Audax]

My point was only, from what I can tell with a very light consumption of the news, that Starmer/Labour were repeatedly banging the lockdown-breaking drum for some months. Entirely understandably, obviously, given what went on.

So, it doesn't strike me as particularly surprising to see the Tory-cheerleading press doing the same thing, when the opportunity has presented itself.

I think they were a week or two too slow shifting focus to the cost of living crisis. But they did ultimately do it - and it's telling that once they did, the Tories responded by reviving beergate.

My main concern is that Labour seems unable to tackle Boris on multiple fronts at the same time. Fine, pick one attack line to lead on (be that partygate, cost of living, or something else) - but don't let that lead attack line completely submerse other avenues. I'm still flabbergasted that they haven't pressed Boris harder on his repeated use of misleading employment statistics in Parliament - stats that he's been told multiple times are misleading but continues to trot out. As much as I know the Tory machine would vote any attempt to censure him over it down, I still think Labour should force them to at least make that vote.

They (Starmer / Labour) also need to be a lot better at reactive defensive moves. They've been far too meek in the face of Boris trotting out his "if Labour were in power we'd still be in lockdown" lines as a diversionary tactic, for example.

Starmer is getting there, slowly. But I do worry a little that it's too slowly. My main concern being that I think Starmer would be a fantastic PM ... but he's not a great Opposition leader. And he won't get to be PM unless he can change that.

Case in point: his initial handling of being questioned about whether Durham police had contacted him was poor. He prevaricated instead of coming through with a definitive yes or no. And then he was too slow arriving at the announcement made yesterday. A natural opposition leader with the instinct to get ahead of the story would have been on the front foot and got that announcement out much sooner. Starmer's more cautious approach will great for a PM. But he needs to be more agile as Oppo leader.

 

[nicko31]

It would be a great shame and a ridiculous reason to resign but it's good to see a politician who stands by their principles. I like KS and would vote Labour with him in charge.

Agree with the point of your post, if not the wording

Labour are showing there is a clear differentiation between them and this current administration.

There's a lot of talk that if Starmer went Johnson would have little choice but to follow.

Frankly, I don't think he will ever resign. His whole life....personal, professional and political is defined by abdication of responsibility.

From serial adultery to parking Belgian registered cars on London streets to making up stories in newspaper columns to telling lies about internal customs borders. Nothing matters, as long as you can get away with it

 

[Weststander]

Oh well, at least with this particular dead cat gone for a while, we can now get back to

The ongoing Ukraine war
The Russian Report
Raging inflation
Electricity and Gas crisis (with more to come in October)
How we implement JRM's 'Act of self harm' Border controls
Shipping Immigrants to Rwanda (and getting theirs in return)
The Sue Gray report
Growing costs of Imported food
The upcoming (or current) recession
The Covid PPE investigation
The unimplementable Northern Ireland Protocol
Increasing poverty levels
Farming industry issues with growing, harvesting and slaughtering
The huge increase in immigrants making the channel crossing over the last 2 years
Visa issues for Ukrainian refugees
The increasing national debt

so at least there's some good news. I'm sure I've missed something

Yes, but apart from all that

 

[Bob!]

Doesn't read like that to me.

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I'll leave the cheerleaders to it once again as this is all very dull.

'Honesty and Decency matter

After months of denials....'

 

[Thunder Bolt]

its true they dont all plumb the depths of Johnson, however they are all guilty of lowering the standard of politics where spin, mistruths, and lies become normal. they'll quite happily create and perpetuate distorted or false infomation to suit their political objectives.

All guilty? All 650 of them? There are generalisations and then there are generalisations!


Meanwhile -

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[beorhthelm]

All guilty? All 650 of them? There are generalisations and then there are generalisations!

when they parrot out their party line and the party line is untrue, yes.

 

[nicko31]

All guilty? All 650 of them? There are generalisations and then there are generalisations!


Meanwhile -

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Such lazy labels as "they are all the same" is what really worries me about the Johnson era. He isn't just damaging the Tory party he is denigrating public trust in UK politics.

 

[Is it PotG?]

BJ : Fancy a beer and a curry after this Opening of Parliament thingy?

KS : Yeah, I know a great place, bit far though.

 

[The Clamp]

They are certainly not “all the same”. Anyone falling for this Daily Mail campaign against labour, is a moron.

 

[razer]

It's laughable though this whole situation. Starmer openly offering to resign, Johnson who has done far worse repeatedly and more brazenly clinging onto power.

That's the thing though isn't it. Starmer has said he would "offer" his resignation, not that he would resign. Could be construed as brazenly clinging on to power if his offered resignation wasn't accepted, no?

 

[mejonaNO12 aka riskit]

That's the thing though isn't it. Starmer has said he would "offer" his resignation, not that he would resign. Could be construed as brazenly clinging on to power if his offered resignation wasn't accepted, no?

no.

 

[vegster]

That's the thing though isn't it. Starmer has said he would "offer" his resignation, not that he would resign. Could be construed as brazenly clinging on to power if his offered resignation wasn't accepted, no?

It's ok, won't come to that, apparently he will " Get away with being Not Guilty " !

 

[hans kraay fan club]

That's the thing though isn't it. Starmer has said he would "offer" his resignation, not that he would resign. Could be construed as brazenly clinging on to power if his offered resignation wasn't accepted, no?

What a terrible take.

 

[birthofanorange]

What a terrible take.

(Almost) unbelievable, isn't it?

 

[London Irish]

Surely no one actually believes the hogwash that all politicians are the same as the integrity-bankrupt Johnson ?

Lol.

Starmer lied full on to the Labour membership about what his policies would be to get elected leader in 2020. The notion that it's just Johnson out of the whole political system isn't borne out by what actually happens in reality.

The problem is that most of our billionaire press think the Labour membership are leftwing scum and so lying to them is actually a moral plus for Starmer. Hence why that kind of lying never makes news.

 

[London Irish]

Labour have also been constantly raising other issues, especially the cost of living crisis.

What are they proposing to do about the cost of living crisis? Pretty much nothing, because Labour are still scared of proposing anything meaningful because they want the rightwing tabloids to be nice to them. The same rightwing tabloids who have now decided to bite them on the arse after a couple of years leaving them alone after Corbyn went

 

[London Irish]

They are certainly not “all the same”. Anyone falling for this Daily Mail campaign against labour, is a moron.

I've actually campaigned consistently knocking on doors for Labour for the best part of 3 decades and the single biggest thing that I've heard back from people by far in all that time is that they are all the same. The notion that it was all pretty much OK before Johnson came along forgets stuff like the expenses scandal, lies to get us into wars, huge numbers of deaths of vulnerable people because of austerity etc

 

[nicko31]

What are they proposing to do about the cost of living crisis? Pretty much nothing, because Labour are still scared of proposing anything meaningful because they want the rightwing tabloids to be nice to them. The same rightwing tabloids who have now decided to bite them on the arse after a couple of years leaving them alone after Corbyn went

Not sure if Johnson's client journalists have ever left Labour alone

That said the Mail had a very relapse into objective reality when Geordie Greig took over from Dacre, ie the Owen Paterson was scandal was actually called out. Alas Dacre out of retirement, Day 13 of beergate, desperate stuff.