Labour are finished

[Gully]

Routemaster buses still run on routes 9 & 15 - mainly for the tourists to know that they are in London , travelling on an iconic bus. The bendy buses carry more passengers than a double decker , have 3 doors to enter/exit but LT must be losing a fortune running them. Londoners know them as the "free" bus because its just so easy to get on without paying. No need to use your oyster card or pre purchased ticket from the machine at the bus stop , hop on and jump off before the inspectors get on. London Transport did their own survey on fare evasion on the bendys which revealed over 70% of passengers travelled without a ticket but privately think it could be nearer to 90%.

What greater incentive could people have to travel on public transport than the knowledge that it is free?

 

[Beach Hut]

Lefties are history now, Cameron will lead the country very soon and expect NSC to wail in sorrow.

 

[Gully]

Don't think it matters who wins...they all make false promises to get in then shaft everybody fleecing them with hidden taxes and so-on

I must need new glasses, I just misread fleecing as felching...that would certainly make for a different type of government.

 

[User removed 4]

as opposed to the lilywhite regime of ken livingstone ?[/QUOTE

You're missing the point with London...The only reason why Livingstone lost the mayoral election was because of voter apathy with Labour...You could have put a hatstand with a blue rosette up for election, it still would have won.

The trouble is with Labour is that they're unfashionable and they've got a bumbling fool as leader who should never have been elected as leader.

Where as the Tories have got Boris Johnson...oh - hold on a minute

he wasnt elected as leader!

 

[User removed 4]

The thing is with cameron - and this is what will count against him is this...

Could you picture John Major, Thatcher & Blair standing outside number 10 as PM? The answer is yes.

Can you picture David Cameron standing outside Number 10? Many people would say no...He just doesn't have the substance to become PM.

I would have seriously considered voting Tory at the next election had it not have been for Cameron, however I just don't think he's genuine enough and with great respect to HB&B and Uncle Spielberg and all you other die hard Tories it's the likes of myself who've always voted Labour and who are feeling let down by this government that he needs to appeal to to win an election and unfortunately, he's way short of the mark...

If Gordon Brown resigned tomorrow I honestly don't think that Cameron would win an election...Whilst it's been a long time since the Tories were last in charge, people haven't forgotten that the economy was in a worse state then even to what it is now.

think you need to brush up on your economic history mate, the economy was in a far better state than it is now when the tories left office.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Country will no doubt vote for a change at thenext election, irrespective of how crap David Cameron is. Gordon Brown's probably being blamed for the rubbish weather this Summer as well as everything else. Oh well.

Does make you wonder why the Lib Dems don't just disband tho. They just seem incapable of making up any kind of ground in third place.

 

[keaton]

That will depend wether YOU had a relative that has lost his life to a knife wouldnt it

What was that got to do with a criticism of David Cameron?

Voilent crime is not spiralling out of control, it remained on a constant level with an increase in knife crime and a decrease in gun crime as it became more difficult and risky to get and carry a gun.

 

[User removed 4]

What was that got to do with a criticism of David Cameron?

Voilent crime is not spiralling out of control, it remained on a constant level with an increase in knife crime and a decrease in gun crime as it became more difficult and risky to get and carry a gun.

i suppose if you tell a lie often enough you will start to believe it yourself,admitting that violent crime in certain areas is out of control would force you to admit what most people know, that your precious new labour are a bunch of incompetent , over promoted, hand wringing, soft on crime tossers.what planet are you people on ?

 

[Alfred the greatx]

Lefties are history now, Cameron will lead the country very soon and expect NSC to wail in sorrow.

I am surprised at that comment BH. Do you belive this Labour lot to be left wing?
They're Tories with red ties on.
Some Labour stuff has been good, independance of the Bank of England, minimum wage, the bollocks they had to pick up Tory ideas in northern Ireland, trade union reform and the guts to oppose their own supporters wishes to renationalise some industries and buy back council houses etc has transformed British politics for ever.
I am delighted to say that an Arthur Scargill type government is no longer possible thanks to Labours internal reforms. I have never seen such reforms in the Tory party ridding itself of the undemocratic, heriditory men who belive in the privalige and chances in life for the wealthy that the rest of us never see.
The down side is, we don't have a lot of difference between the parties any more.
Despite this, Labour policies still lean toward helping the least able in our society, something the Tories with thier self interest and belief in the inherited, unearned privaliges from the past , seem unable to take in.
The Tories have opposed just about everything we now feel to be basic human rights. They opposed votes for the lower classes, the National health service, pensions, as this would allow the lazy working class to quit work while still fit, children working down mines as "the workers like it like this"
OK, I'm digging over some pretty old dirt but it gives you the feel for what they stand for.

 

[Southover Street Seagull]

I am surprised at that comment BH. Do you belive this Labour lot to be left wing?
They're Tories with red ties on.
Some Labour stuff has been good, independance of the Bank of England, minimum wage, the bollocks they had to pick up Tory ideas in northern Ireland, trade union reform and the guts to oppose their own supporters wishes to renationalise some industries and buy back council houses etc has transformed British politics for ever.
I am delighted to say that an Arthur Scargill type government is no longer possible thanks to Labours internal reforms. I have never seen such reforms in the Tory party ridding itself of the undemocratic, heriditory men who belive in the privalige and chances in life for the wealthy that the rest of us never see.
The down side is, we don't have a lot of difference between the parties any more.
Despite this, Labour policies still lean toward helping the least able in our society, something the Tories with thier self interest and belief in the inherited, unearned privaliges from the past , seem unable to take in.
The Tories have opposed just about everything we now feel to be basic human rights. They opposed votes for the lower classes, the National health service, pensions, as this would allow the lazy working class to quit work while still fit, children working down mines as "the workers like it like this"
OK, I'm digging over some pretty old dirt but it gives you the feel for what they stand for.

Agree with your opening question, it baffles me that a lot of articulate posters on this message board seem to think that this Labour Government is left wing? As you say they are Tories with red ties on!
Not sure what you mean about trade union reform as I don't think Labour has altered any trade union laws, another point that proves that New Labour are not left wing, they left the trade union laws that were changed by the Tories untouched!
I can't see how buying back council houses would be a bad idea, I always thought they were for the poorest in society, buying them back would allow the poorest people to have some fairly decent housing.

 

[BensGrandad]

There was a suggestion in one of the red tops today that Harriet Harman is preparing to challenge Brown for the leadership if they lose their next election in Scotland.

 

[BensGrandad]

I can't see how buying back council houses would be a bad idea, I always thought they were for the poorest in society, buying them back would allow the poorest people to have some fairly decent housing.

I do not know for sure but would imagine that the vast majority of those so called cheap houses 'for the poorest in the society' to rent are subsidised with rent rebates because the rent is too high for those people to be able to afford.

 

[GNF on Tour]

David Cameron is unelectable because he's a fake...he's got as much integrity as Fred West and he has no policies...the only time he says anything of any note is when he jumps on a bandwagon of public opinion.

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Thanks. I have been trying to sum up my thoughts on Cameron and your summary is bang on the mark.

Understand peoples resentment of Brown but I can't help thinking if Brown had a Spin Doctor of the calibre of Alaistar Campbell then he would not be in half the poo he is in now.

 

[User removed 4]

I am surprised at that comment BH. Do you belive this Labour lot to be left wing?
They're Tories with red ties on.
Some Labour stuff has been good, independance of the Bank of England, minimum wage, the bollocks they had to pick up Tory ideas in northern Ireland, trade union reform and the guts to oppose their own supporters wishes to renationalise some industries and buy back council houses etc has transformed British politics for ever.
I am delighted to say that an Arthur Scargill type government is no longer possible thanks to Labours internal reforms. I have never seen such reforms in the Tory party ridding itself of the undemocratic, heriditory men who belive in the privalige and chances in life for the wealthy that the rest of us never see.
The down side is, we don't have a lot of difference between the parties any more.
Despite this, Labour policies still lean toward helping the least able in our society, something the Tories with thier self interest and belief in the inherited, unearned privaliges from the past , seem unable to take in.
The Tories have opposed just about everything we now feel to be basic human rights. They opposed votes for the lower classes, the National health service, pensions, as this would allow the lazy working class to quit work while still fit, children working down mines as "the workers like it like this"
OK, I'm digging over some pretty old dirt but it gives you the feel for what they stand for.

so basically the tories cant change their policy on some issues from over 100 years ago but labour can change their policy on some issues from as little as 30 years ago is what your saying ? you really are fighting a class battle that is now largely irrelevant.

 

[bhaexpress]

Forgive me but can anybody tell me the difference between New Labour and the current Tories ? Frankly this just goes in cycles and all the pointless name calling both in and out of the House is just a complete bore.

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

Forgive me but can anybody tell me the difference between New Labour and the current Tories ?

That's fairly easy to answer. One party tries to make the country a fairer, more decent place to live, the other party just wants to keep the same old snouts in the trough

 

[Deleted member 2719]

Well said, it took the conservatives 18 ys to piss people off, Labour probably 10 years, so another 18 years of Conservative rule and round we go again

It only took about 5 years for Labour to f*piss me off.

 

[User removed 4]

That's fairly easy to answer. One party tries to make the country a fairer, more decent place to live, the other party just wants to keep the same old snouts in the trough

your trouble is tom you equate striving to better yourself and your familys quality of life and standard of living with "snouts in the trough".The labour MPs are just as guilty as the tories when it comes to "snouts in the trough".

 

[bhaexpress]

That's fairly easy to answer. One party tries to make the country a fairer, more decent place to live, the other party just wants to keep the same old snouts in the trough

Really ? So which is which then ?

 

[Tom Hark Preston Park]

your trouble is tom you equate striving to better yourself and your familys quality of life and standard of living with "snouts in the trough".The labour MPs are just as guilty as the tories when it comes to "snouts in the trough".

Labour genuinely believe in trying to provide a wider range of opportunities for the many, not just the few. No way am I sneering at anyone 'striving to better yourself and your familys quality of life' it's just that some people need more of a helping hand to do that than others.

Quite agree with you about the MPs tho, well many of them anyway.