Just found this on facebook

[Yoda]

Think I may open that from my phone rather than my work pc.

 

[junior]

Then you know shite so sue me. There is documented factual evidence showing that the quorn have used artificial earths to breed foxes to boost their numbers so that sick fuks can enjoy their 'sport'.

I come from a family of hunt supporters and was sabbing before you were out of nappies pall. I have been out with Aubrey Thomas and Mike Huskisson and know a damn sight more about hunting that you would like to admit.

Hunters 'breeding foxes' to provide for the kill | UK news | The Observer

GAMESFORTHEGUTLESS

The duke, the royals and the fox bait | UK news | The Guardian

I await your writ with interest and baited breath. Give it your worst budy.

I see no DOCUMENTED FACTUAL EVIDENCE there?

Two newspaper reports. Are you REALY suggesting that a newspaper story is documented factual evidence?

I'm not sure what the second article is but again, i see no evidence there. Only a load of old photos from about 20/30 years ago and the usual 'anti' crap that they roll out that has no substance to it.

Once again, can you provide evidence to back up your allegation that the Quorn breed foxes just to kill them??

 

[Surrey_Albion]

I wondered how long it would take for that to come up...... as lets face it, that is what this ban is really about.

This pathetic attitude is wholly untrue. Ordinary women and men from all walks of life, support hunting, most of them on foot. Logically it cannot be right for MPs to ban hunting with hounds, and not hunting with a gun or a fishing rod, purely because they don’t like the people they believe support hunting with dogs. The ban hunting is an attack on the people that hunt, rather than an improvement in animal welfare.

"look at the raw basics, riders do nothing but chase on horses, pack of dogs kill wild animal, that is fking wrong!!!!! " I see you managed to avoid this bit though, I do feel sorry for you that you have a void in your life so big it can only be filled by chasing after a dog on a horse to watch it kill another dog. Feeling sorry for you means I am a humane person, I see someone put the definition up to try and help you out there.

 

[TerryT]

"look at the raw basics, riders do nothing but chase on horses, pack of dogs kill wild animal, that is fking wrong!!!!! " I see you managed to avoid this bit though, I do feel sorry for you that you have a void in your life so big it can only be filled by chasing after a dog on a horse to watch it kill another dog. Feeling sorry for you means I am a humane person, I see someone put the definition up to try and help you out there.

100% this

 

[readingstockport]

I see no DOCUMENTED FACTUAL EVIDENCE there?

Two newspaper reports. Are you REALY suggesting that a newspaper story is documented factual evidence?

I'm not sure what the second article is but again, i see no evidence there. Only a load of old photos from about 20/30 years ago and the usual 'anti' crap that they roll out that has no substance to it.

Once again, can you provide evidence to back up your allegation that the Quorn breed foxes just to kill them??

So why didn't the quorn sue the media when the reports were made? Because it is true and they knew it. They would have lost and been exposed in public as the blood thirsty scum they - and you - are.

Sue me, I dare you?

 

[hans kraay fan club]

They really are contrary buggers, those Quorn folk. Somehow, selling veggie-burgers AND hunting fluffy animals, seem rather incongruous. What ever would Linda McCartney think?

 

[junior]

"look at the raw basics, riders do nothing but chase on horses, pack of dogs kill wild animal, that is fking wrong!!!!! " I see you managed to avoid this bit though, I do feel sorry for you that you have a void in your life so big it can only be filled by chasing after a dog on a horse to watch it kill another dog. Feeling sorry for you means I am a humane person, I see someone put the definition up to try and help you out there.

Foxes are not 'dogs', they are vermin. Ask any farmer. There is an accepted need to control the rural fox population, which will involve culling. First, the fox is virtually without natural predators in Britain, other than man. The natural death of such a wild animal will occur by starvation, disease or injury, none of which can be described as humane. Secondly, if fox numbers are not controlled there will be progressive and increasing predation on vulnerable farm animals and wildlife. Thirdly, overpopulation has a detrimental effect on the health and vigour of any animal species, particularly in respect of disease.

As with everyone I have this debate with, you can see that the undertones are more at a personal level than anything to do with animal welfare.

We all know that the law is, in large part, class-driven revenge for the Tories' smashing of the miners' strike, and the privatisation of the nationalised industries.

Is this a reason to ban something? No.

 

[junior]

So why didn't the quorn sue the media when the reports were made? Because it is true and they knew it. They would have lost and been exposed in public as the blood thirsty scum they - and you - are.

Sue me, I dare you?

Are you American? You have an obsession with sueing.

 

[Falkor]

The problem is that certain animals foxes etc need to be maintained as we have taken other animals out that would normally control them.

I hate hunting that said there was a documentary on channel 4 that showed a man now shoot a fox then he decided to pick it up and rip it in 2.
Was not pleasant to watch.


One thing I will say about foxes is can we breed a species that dont sound like there being brutally murdered when there having sex at 3am

 

[readingstockport]

There is an accepted need to control the rural fox population

No there isn't. A falacious argument dripped out by the blood junkies to justify their barbarity.

And as for the rest of your drivel, so what? The fact an animal will starve to death or succumb to disease is no reason to indulge your sick urges to kill things for fun. All the birds in the world will likely starve to death, by your shit logic we should annihilate every single animal species to prevent their lingering sdeath from starvation or other cause.

Not thinking this through really are you?

 

[junior]

One thing I will say about foxes is can we breed a species that dont sound like there being brutally murdered when there having sex at 3am

Where do you live? There is a possibility that may have been me and the missus and not in fact a fox.

 

[readingstockport]

Are you American? You have an obsession with sueing.

You are the one who said my original comment may be actionable. I am challenging you to come through on that. I guess from your reply you will not be doing so.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

Foxes are not 'dogs', they are vermin. Ask any farmer. There is an accepted need to control the rural fox population, which will involve culling. First, the fox is virtually without natural predators in Britain, other than man. The natural death of such a wild animal will occur by starvation, disease or injury, none of which can be described as humane. Secondly, if fox numbers are not controlled there will be progressive and increasing predation on vulnerable farm animals and wildlife. Thirdly, overpopulation has a detrimental effect on the health and vigour of any animal species, particularly in respect of disease.

As with everyone I have this debate with, you can see that the undertones are more at a personal level than anything to do with animal welfare.

We all know that the law is, in large part, class-driven revenge for the Tories' smashing of the miners' strike, and the privatisation of the nationalised industries.

Is this a reason to ban something? No.

Nope in any encyclopedia I cannot see their bred classified as vermin, its amazing farmer have never moaned about you lot going through their feilds have they, oh wait yes I am sure they have and those who didnt was probably because they owned the land themselves, you seem to have missed the basics of "humane" again, can you justify WATCHING, remember your on a horse and just chasing not actually doing anything else, a group of dogs tear another living animal apart, I dont think anyone with one ounce of compashion could, by saying Vermin you think people will go "oh that sounds bad yeah lets all kill foxes" no no they would not.

I will bring up class now but for your info my Dad is a Tory and I followed suit so your statement about "revenge for smashing miners" is not only wrong but out dated and proof you have enough money to think you are alot better than anyone else, blaming left wing politics for a sport were the people do nothing but allow the death of another animal shows how very very out of touch you are to the rest of the world and have obviously only mixed in the "upper class" more priviliaged end of society.

I purposely do not read some the pure left wing shit thread that appear on here so using the 2they are picking on my for being privillaged2 wont work I am afraid what you do is FKING SICK! and thats why it should be banned plain and simple

I may be wrong but I have a feeling you are middle classed went off to boarding school and never really bonded with your parents, possibly bullied, never felt any real love, extremely rich and have no real soul? just a feeling I get from your posts apologies if im wrong

 

[junior]

No there isn't. A falacious argument dripped out by the blood junkies to justify their barbarity.

And as for the rest of your drivel, so what? The fact an animal will starve to death or succumb to disease is no reason to indulge your sick urges to kill things for fun. All the birds in the world will likely starve to death, by your shit logic we should annihilate every single animal species to prevent their lingering sdeath from starvation or other cause.

Not thinking this through really are you?

To be honest I am quite enjoying having this debate, even if it is with the un-educated.
What I will say though, is that there is no real need to finish every post off with some sort of personal 'I'm cleverer than you' comment to try and detract from the tripe you are spouting.

We could carry this on all day if you want, but everything I have to say on this subject is backed up by fact, documented fact. Unlike your "Foxhunting is cruel" because The Observer Newspaper says it is side of things.

 

[Surrey_Albion]

To be honest I am quite enjoying having this debate, even if it is with the un-educated.
What I will say though, is that there is no real need to finish every post off with some sort of personal 'I'm cleverer than you' comment to try and detract from the tripe you are spouting.

We could carry this on all day if you want, but everything I have to say on this subject is backed up by fact, documented fact. Unlike your "Foxhunting is cruel" because The Observer Newspaper says it is side of things.

Who has the class issue you cannot argue it is wrong to kill end of that is why it should be banned

 

[junior]

You are the one who said my original comment may be actionable. I am challenging you to come through on that. I guess from your reply you will not be doing so.

You are challenging me to Sue you? Oh do come on, get real

I believe the onus is on YOU, the accuser, to prove your comment to be true, which you said you could do. Then posted a link to some newspaper articles

 

[Bold Seagull]

I'd love to get involved with their hunts.

 

[Nibble]

Rubbish!

Hunting by hounds is the most natural and humane way of controlling the population of all four quarry species in the countryside - fox, deer, hare and mink. That statement is supported by over 500 members of the Royal College of Veterinary Surgeons.

Haha! What a joke you are! These wouldn't happen to be vets that rely ion hunting for their livelyhood by any chance? Cos I went out with a vet and her and her colleagues despised the joke that is hunting with hounds.

There seem to be some fitties involved though.

 

[Notters]

Would you care to explain? You can't can you?!

Death is almost instantaneous for the fox when killed by hounds (this does not happen anymore!). The use of a shotgun & snaring - the main alternatives to hunting - are worse for animal welfare and that is a proven fact.

ignoring the sheer inhumanity of fox hunting, only around 5% are killed each year so it is not an effective method of controlling their numbers.

 

[pipkin112]

I was quite enjoying this thread when i first opened it, but you lot have completely put me off my stroke.