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[Zesh Rehman]

Why dont you get your nose out his arse.

f) If you agree with someone who is making an unpopular statement then you are an arse licker.

 

[SeagullRic]

Why?

Do I have to have played at a higher level than the Mid Sussex Junior A League to be a football supporter?

No, of course you don't need to have played at a high level to be a supporter; thats the joy of football as a 46 stone man has got as much right as John Terry to discuss all things football related.

However, in my opinion it renders your opinion worthless if you have not played to a reasonable level,or indeed can't actually play football (having seen you attempt play, I am fairly certain this is the case with you). I find your tactical analyses of the game at times embarassing: the continual slating of Dicker, pretending to know things others seem unable (to you) to realise (Alan Navarro's 'superiority' over Dicker), the enjoyment you take in abusing players such as Craig Davies, who granted was fairly useless but as his loan spell at Port Vale has shown is clearly not a 'Donkey'.

So post as much as you want on NSC, and anyone who questions this prerogative is clearly a fucktard. However, the majority of what you post on football, and the way you post it (by using gross exaggeration) is to me complete bollocks: I fail to see how anyone can claim to understand something which they cannot do at least competently themselves.

 

[Common as Mook]

No, of course you don't need to have played at a high level to be a supporter; thats the joy of football as a 46 stone man has got as much right as John Terry to discuss all things football related.

However, in my opinion it renders your opinion worthless if you have not played to a reasonable level,or indeed can't actually play football (having seen you attempt play, I am fairly certain this is the case with you). I find your tactical analyses of the game at times embarassing: the continual slating of Dicker, pretending to know things others seem unable (to you) to realise (Alan Navarro's 'superiority' over Dicker), the enjoyment you take in abusing players such as Craig Davies, who granted was fairly useless but as his loan spell at Port Vale has shown is clearly not a 'Donkey'.

So post as much as you want on NSC, and anyone who questions this prerogative is clearly a fucktard. However, the majority of what you post on football, and the way you post it (by using gross exaggeration) is to me complete bollocks: I fail to see how anyone can claim to understand something which they cannot do at least competently themselves.

Whilst I agree to a point, especially where WW and TCB are concerned, the is a fundamental flaw to this argument.

Anyone who has played football to a decent standard, won't actually get to watch the Albion much because they should be playing. Most of their opinion would be based on conjecture and newspaper reports.

 

[SeagullRic]

Whilst I agree to a point, especially where WW and TCB are concerned, the is a fundamental flaw to this argument.

Anyone who has played football to a decent standard, won't actually get to watch the Albion much because they should be playing. Most of their opinion would be based on conjecture and newspaper reports.

Although that potentially means there are going to be less people who are able to give a balanced, in depth and conclusive assessment on the game, the original point still stands: I am unable to respect someone's opinion when they know very little about the subject matter.

 

[warsaw]

Although that potentially means there are going to be less people who are able to give a balanced, in depth and conclusive assessment on the game, the original point still stands: I am unable to respect someone's opinion when they know very little about the subject matter.

Indeed this was the purpose my question to WW. Let's face it most of us know f*** all about tactics in professional football. It's just that some come on this board in the full belief that they know what they are talking about, but in fact they just talk shite

 

[drew]

WW could you please outline your football background for us, clubs played for, at what level etc.

Thanks

Why don't you ask Arsene Wenger the same question, or even Jose Mourinho?
Pathetic. Makes you sound like Steve 'I know it all because I was a professional' Claridge.

B)....

could it possibly be that poyet was giving dickinson his last chance to prove himself before he shipped him out? he didn't have the best of games & murray looked lively when he came on for him, meaning that it was unlikely dickinson would keep his place in the following game.


D)...

as far as we are aware, poyet has only 'fallen out' with 1 player - forster. that is totally acceptable given forster's (or his agent's) demands. even if you accepted the rumours of fall outs with dickinson or cox i think mcghee managed at least double that amount of fall outs, so he's not quite at that stage yet!!

and yes... a new manager should be given time before people start getting on his back or we will make no progress what so ever! (A)

hope that helps!

It was totally unacceptable to fall out with Forster. Forster merely stated the position, ie he is legally entitled to talk to other clubs as he has less than six months of his contract left. As far as I am aware, there are no reported demands other than in the minds of some NSC posters. The whole thing was blown totally out of proportion and should have been handled far better but that is down to Poyet's lack of managerial experience. Hopefully he has learned from that.

As for criticism, why can't he take it. Carole is the best example where a player contributed nothing in a game which only came to life after he had left the pitch yet he is on the bench and brought on to protect a rare lead at home in the following game. There will be even more criticism if he involved at Leeds.

No, of course you don't need to have played at a high level to be a supporter; thats the joy of football as a 46 stone man has got as much right as John Terry to discuss all things football related.

However, in my opinion it renders your opinion worthless if you have not played to a reasonable level,or indeed can't actually play football (having seen you attempt play, I am fairly certain this is the case with you). I find your tactical analyses of the game at times embarassing: the continual slating of Dicker, pretending to know things others seem unable (to you) to realise (Alan Navarro's 'superiority' over Dicker), the enjoyment you take in abusing players such as Craig Davies, who granted was fairly useless but as his loan spell at Port Vale has shown is clearly not a 'Donkey'.

So post as much as you want on NSC, and anyone who questions this prerogative is clearly a fucktard. However, the majority of what you post on football, and the way you post it (by using gross exaggeration) is to me complete bollocks: I fail to see how anyone can claim to understand something which they cannot do at least competently themselves.

Dumb, see above comments.

 

[SeagullRic]

Why don't you ask Arsene Wenger the same question, or even Jose Mourinho?
Pathetic. Makes you sound like Steve 'I know it all because I was a professional' Claridge.



It was totally unacceptable to fall out with Forster. Forster merely stated the position, ie he is legally entitled to talk to other clubs as he has less than six months of his contract left. As far as I am aware, there are no reported demands other than in the minds of some NSC posters. The whole thing was blown totally out of proportion and should have been handled far better but that is down to Poyet's lack of managerial experience. Hopefully he has learned from that.

As for criticism, why can't he take it. Carole is the best example where a player contributed nothing in a game which only came to life after he had left the pitch yet he is on the bench and brought on to protect a rare lead at home in the following game. There will be even more criticism if he involved at Leeds.



Dumb, see above comments.

Why is it dumb? You haven't addressed or attempted to tackle my argument at any point, and as such have not pointed out a reason why what I have stated is incorrect.

 

[Spider]

No, of course you don't need to have played at a high level to be a supporter; thats the joy of football as a 46 stone man has got as much right as John Terry to discuss all things football related.

However, in my opinion it renders your opinion worthless if you have not played to a reasonable level,or indeed can't actually play football (having seen you attempt play, I am fairly certain this is the case with you). I find your tactical analyses of the game at times embarassing: the continual slating of Dicker, pretending to know things others seem unable (to you) to realise (Alan Navarro's 'superiority' over Dicker), the enjoyment you take in abusing players such as Craig Davies, who granted was fairly useless but as his loan spell at Port Vale has shown is clearly not a 'Donkey'.

So post as much as you want on NSC, and anyone who questions this prerogative is clearly a fucktard. However, the majority of what you post on football, and the way you post it (by using gross exaggeration) is to me complete bollocks: I fail to see how anyone can claim to understand something which they cannot do at least competently themselves.

Utter bollocks.

Don't need to have played football at any level to appreciate it. Perhaps you'd like to tell Jose Mourinho or Nigel Adkins that they don't understand football because they never played it. High profile managers aside, I can almost garantee that some of the more intelligent people I have been to football with, who have been watching for decades, know more than your average lumphead defender, who might be good at doing a job, but equally is too involved in the game to see flaws without clouded judgement.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

Why don't you ask Arsene Wenger the same question, or even Jose Mourinho?
Pathetic. Makes you sound like Steve 'I know it all because I was a professional' Claridge.

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the idea that you need to have played football at a 'decent' level to understand it, refuting the argument in the above way is, in my honest opinion, equally 'pathetic'. Here's a brief exert concerning Wenger's career:

Wenger spent much of his youth playing football and organizing matches at the village team, FC Duttlenheim, where he made the first team at 16 and was subsequently recruited to nearby third division club AS Mutzig by the team's manager Max Hild, who would go on to become his mentor, advising Wenger on managerial decisions later in career, and whose team had been noted for playing the "best amateur football" in Alsace.[8] Wenger's playing career was modest. He played as a defender for various amateur clubs while studying at the Institut Européen d'Etudes Commerciales Supérieures de Strasbourg of Robert Schuman University, where he completed a master's degree in 1971. Wenger turned professional in 1978, making his debut for RC Strasbourg against Monaco.[14] He only made twelve appearances for the team, including two as they won the Ligue 1 title in 1978-79, and played once in the UEFA Cup in the same season.

And here's one for Mourinho:

By this time, his father had changed from player to coach and in turn the young Mourinho became a student of the game, observing training sessions and scouting opposing teams.
Mourinho wanted to follow in the footsteps of his father by becoming a footballer and he joined the Belenenses youth team. Graduating to the senior level, he played at Rio Ave, where his father was coach, Belenenses and Sesimbra but it became evident that he would not excel as a professional, as he lacked the requisite pace and power.[6][7] Acceding to his shortcomings, he chose to pursue the dream of becoming a professional football coach instead.

 

[Trigger]

f) Withdean Wanderer is a twat.

So, someome posts a football related topic on a football related message board and yet again you are the first to reply, but not only that, you reply with a personal insult that adds nothing to the thread...

I tell you what, let's all drop to your level (6 year old?) shall we... You are a f***ing COCK... Na na na na na!

 

[The Wizard]

So, someome posts a football related topic on a football related message board and yet again you are the first to reply, but not only that, you reply with a personal insult that adds nothing to the thread...

I tell you what, let's all drop to your level (6 year old?) shall we... You are a f***ing COCK... Na na na na na!

Oh do f*** off, its same old same old with WW, I could predict what he was going to say before I even opened the thread, read my post on page two as to why I think he is a twat, thats my opinion.

 

[Trigger]

Oh do f*** off, its same old same old with WW, I could predict what he was going to say before I even opened the thread, read my post on page two as to why I think he is a twat, thats my opinion.

What... You mean it's unpredictable that you will jump all over any thread about anything and turn it into shit before the original poster has even finished admiring his work?...

I'm not really interested why you think he's a twat, as an opinion on someone you don't even know over a message board really doesn't matter, does it?...

Pull yourself together lad.

 

[ali jenkins]

I think its HILLARIO that WW can start a thread about ANYTHING and within 10mins people are getting so worked up about it there using words like 'Twat' to describe someone they dont even know!!


And for the record, I play Football with him every week and he does know what he is doing and talking about!

 

[SeagullRic]

I think its HILLARIO that WW can start a thread about ANYTHING and within 10mins people are getting so worked up about it there using words like 'Twat' to describe someone they dont even know!!


And for the record, I play Football with him every week and he does know what he is doing and talking about!

Fair enough, I perhaps caught him on a bad day (REMF V NSC last year) and unfairly judged: if this is the case then I am sorry.

 

[SeagullRic]

Utter bollocks.

Don't need to have played football at any level to appreciate it. Perhaps you'd like to tell Jose Mourinho or Nigel Adkins that they don't understand football because they never played it. High profile managers aside, I can almost garantee that some of the more intelligent people I have been to football with, who have been watching for decades, know more than your average lumphead defender, who might be good at doing a job, but equally is too involved in the game to see flaws without clouded judgement.

As has been already pointed out, Mourinho was obviously a fairly decent player, and understood a lot about the game: similiarly, Nigel Adkins played in goal for Tranmere, Wigan and Bangor. This in my opinion is very, very different from someone who has literally no football ability whatsoever: how can they possibly comprehend the finer details of a game they cannot play themselves? If I went to watch ice skating every week, yet never actually ice skated myself, of course I can comment on it. However, am I really qualified to give an accurate assessment on their technical ability, grace and style?

 

[drew]

Whilst I don't necessarily agree with the idea that you need to have played football at a 'decent' level to understand it, refuting the argument in the above way is, in my honest opinion, equally 'pathetic'. Here's a brief exert concerning Wenger's career:

Wenger spent much of his youth playing football and organizing matches at the village team, FC Duttlenheim, where he made the first team at 16 and was subsequently recruited to nearby third division club AS Mutzig by the team's manager Max Hild, who would go on to become his mentor, advising Wenger on managerial decisions later in career, and whose team had been noted for playing the "best amateur football" in Alsace.[8] Wenger's playing career was modest. He played as a defender for various amateur clubs while studying at the Institut Européen d'Etudes Commerciales Supérieures de Strasbourg of Robert Schuman University, where he completed a master's degree in 1971. Wenger turned professional in 1978, making his debut for RC Strasbourg against Monaco.[14] He only made twelve appearances for the team, including two as they won the Ligue 1 title in 1978-79, and played once in the UEFA Cup in the same season.

And here's one for Mourinho:

By this time, his father had changed from player to coach and in turn the young Mourinho became a student of the game, observing training sessions and scouting opposing teams.
Mourinho wanted to follow in the footsteps of his father by becoming a footballer and he joined the Belenenses youth team. Graduating to the senior level, he played at Rio Ave, where his father was coach, Belenenses and Sesimbra but it became evident that he would not excel as a professional, as he lacked the requisite pace and power.[6][7] Acceding to his shortcomings, he chose to pursue the dream of becoming a professional football coach instead.

So neither were a success at the playing side of the game yet excelled in management. Think you have validated my point. Everyone who watches football can have an opinion and there are those that have watched for years and haven't a clue and some that do. To say that those that haven't played at a reasonable level aren't entitled to have their opinion heard was and is pathetic.

As has been already pointed out, Mourinho was obviously a fairly decent player, and understood a lot about the game: similiarly, Nigel Adkins played in goal for Tranmere, Wigan and Bangor. This in my opinion is very, very different from someone who has literally no football ability whatsoever: how can they possibly comprehend the finer details of a game they cannot play themselves? If I went to watch ice skating every week, yet never actually ice skated myself, of course I can comment on it. However, am I really qualified to give an accurate assessment on their technical ability, grace and style?

Why was Mourinho a fairly decent player? Nowhere does it say that about him on Wikipedia. It doesn't even list his appearances as a player.

As for the Ice Skating analogy if you watched ice skating week in and week out and couldn't be bothered to understand the finer points and can't tell who is better then who then you are probably wasting your time. However, if you enjoy it, so be it. I have merely been criticising the sweeping statement originally made. Some people will watch football for ever and never understand it and other do. There are people behind me at Withdean who used to shout offside at throw ins until the law was pointed out to them and they have been going for years.

 

[drew]

As for the original thread, irrespective of any previous comments by WW, he is right. Gus Poyet is our manager (and should remain so) but that doesn't put him above genuine criticism. Surely the Forster debacle should prove that.

 

[Garry Nelson's Left Foot]

So neither were a success at the playing side of the game yet excelled in management. Think you have validated my point. Everyone who watches football can have an opinion and there are those that have watched for years and haven't a clue and some that do. To say that those that haven't played at a reasonable level aren't entitled to have their opinion heard was and is pathetic.

Well, yes and no. The point I was trying to make is that you can't equate wenger and mourinho with your average fan. Wenger and Mourinho were both players of a better standard than I would imagine pretty much everyone here-particularly wenger. On top of that they were immersed in the tactical and non playing side of the game from an early age-not just in a theoretical way but in a daily, practical way. They were not your average fan that watches a game on saturday, another one down the pub and has a kick about on a park pitch on the sunday morning. Whilst I'm not disputing that anyone can have a decent understanding of the game, it's a poor comparison, IMHO, to use Wenger and Mourinho as examples.

 

[drew]

Well, yes and no. The point I was trying to make is that you can't equate wenger and mourinho with your average fan. Wenger and Mourinho were both players of a better standard than I would imagine pretty much everyone here-particularly wenger. On top of that they were immersed in the tactical and non playing side of the game from an early age-not just in a theoretical way but in a daily, practical way. They were not your average fan that watches a game on saturday, another one down the pub and has a kick about on a park pitch on the sunday morning. Whilst I'm not disputing that anyone can have a decent understanding of the game, it's a poor comparison, IMHO, to use Wenger and Mourinho as examples.

And the average Joe who plays on a Saturday afternoon county standard doesn't play to the same tactics and instructions as Arsenal and Manure do. But at least we agree that you don't have to have played at a high level to understand the game.

 

[Sheebo]

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Exactly my thoughts tho i was gonna do it in song...

Everybody look at ME, ME