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[Guinness Boy]

I really can't see that he did anything wrong that cost either side the game.

If you mean the ref then he most certainly didn't. He was picky but consistently picky. Didn't make a bad decision all game but, of course, is not in step with his colleagues when it comes to making consistent decisions in this division.

The problem is I can remember when a mis-timed tackle from behind, a bit of a dive and "foot up" would have been, at max, a yellow between them. The older refs can also - but not the younger ones.

 

[WhingForPresident]

If you mean the ref then he most certainly didn't. He was picky but consistently picky. Didn't make a bad decision all game but, of course, is not in step with his colleagues when it comes to making consistent decisions in this division.

The problem is I can remember when a mis-timed tackle from behind, a bit of a dive and "foot up" would have been, at max, a yellow between them. The older refs can also - but not the younger ones.

Ref was shit for both teams IMO. Got the big decisions right, but bottled it by giving free-kicks for utter petulance. The way their players were all over Ulloa before he got sent was staggering, yet they got away with it nigh on every time.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Ref was shit for both teams IMO. Got the big decisions right, but bottled it by giving free-kicks for utter petulance. The way their players were all over Ulloa before he got sent was staggering, yet they got away with it nigh on every time.

Pearce was all over Ulloa - and he got booked for it! Then Ulloa went off for something that is a straight red these days (though I don't agree with it) and he (Pearce) might as well have sat in a hammock until Barnes came on.

 

[WhingForPresident]

Pearce was all over Ulloa - and he got booked for it! Then Ulloa went off for something that is a straight red these days (though I don't agree with it) and he might as well have sat in a hammock until Barnes came on.

True, Pearce did get booked, I realised after posting. Still, they must've gotten away with it 5/6 times.

I knew as soon as the ball bounced that Ulloa would get sent. Wrong place at the wrong time I think.

 

[luppers]

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IMHO the Ref had a good game. The yellows were merited and the two reds were just.

totally agree

 

[luppers]

You must of left early shirley?

How did you know his name is Shirley?

 

[Brighton Mod]

I don't know how you're defining winning goal? For example, Barnes scored v Millwall, El Abd made it 2-0, then Millwall got one back. Because El Abds was the second goal and it was a second goal that gave us the win, one might argue this means Barnes's goal wasn't the winner. But, if you take his goal away we only draw the game, so it's clearly important to the result.

Also, you have to factor in the importance of a first goal - they can begin a rout, they can give us a confidence and comfort that allows us to extend leads since we're a little more relaxed in our play. Would El Abd have netted if Barnes hadn't scored the first - would we have been in a position for him to do so, would he have hung back to avoid going one down on the counter if we didn't have that goal lead?

And then there's the killing off factor of a second or later goal in a rout.

(have bolded the matches in which his goal is chronologically "the winner", or games where we only scored one but got something (i.e. not 2-1 losses) and he got the goal).
2012/13
-First and fifth, and two other shots were deflected in by CMS in the 5-1 victory over barnsley
-Scored the first v Millwall for a 2-1 win.
-our only goal v Blackpool in 1-1
-first v derby in the 2-1 win
-first v birmingham in 2-2 draw
-last 2 v Blackpool in 6-1 win

Take his goals away we lose 6 points

-our first v Arsenal in 3-2 loss


2011/12
-first 2 in 3-1 win over Cardiff
-second in 2-2 draw with blackpool
-only goal v bristol in 1-0 win
-second v leeds in 3-3
-our only goal v palace 1-1
-last two v ipswich in 3-0 win
-first v cardiff in 2-2 draw
-second v derby in 2-0 win
-our only goal v Birmingham 1-1

Take his goals away we lose 9 points

-only goal v gillingham, giving us cup progression
-consolation v liverpool
-equalised v wrexham, taking us to a penalty shoot out (which he scored the first goal in. Brez saved wrexham's first and that was the difference. Without Barnes's goal, it would have gone to sudden death).


2010/11
-Our first 2-1 win v Walsall
-Our second 2-0 v plymouth
-Our first 2-1 v oldham
-Our first and third 3-0 v peterborough
-Our second and third 3-0 v Exeter
-Our second 2-1 v exeter
-Our first 4-2 v Bristol
-Our second and third 4-3 v carlisle
-Our only goal 1-0 v oldham
-Our fourth 4-3 v dagenham and redbridge
-Our only goal 1-2 v southampton
-Our only goal 1-1 v colchester
-Our first 2-3 v huddersfield
-Our only goal 1-1 v Notts County

Take his goals away we lose 15 points

-Our second 3-1 v portsmouth (cup)
-Our only goal 1-0 v watford (cup)

Progression with the watford round.


2009/10 (only 8 appearances on loan)
-Our third 3-0 v Tranmere
-Our second 2-2 v southampton
-Our only goal 1-0 v southend
-Our first 2-1 v Bristol

Take his goals away we lose 6 points.


It also ignores the assists he has, the free kicks he wins we score from (though I agree he needs to stay on his feet more)

Thanks for that, but we're no longer playing Carlisle, Tranmere et al, he will be leading the line and now he must show himself. Your facts are fine, but he has not scored this season in the league and has had quite a few chances. I have no issue with him, just want to see him score more to justify the lionisation he receives from some on here. As I said previously, lets watch the next three matches and see what happens, maybe then we can discuss his merits.

 

[Diego Napier]

Thanks for that, but we're no longer playing Carlisle, Tranmere et al, he will be leading the line and now he must show himself. Your facts are fine, but he has not scored this season in the league and has had quite a few chances. I have no issue with him, just want to see him score more to justify the lionisation he receives from some on here. As I said previously, lets watch the next three matches and see what happens, maybe then we can discuss his merits.

Yes but just to balance up your rather strange observation, we still are playing Blackpool, Birmingham, Millwall, Derby, Leeds, Ipswich, Barnsley and Huddersfield and won't be playing Palace, Liverpool and Southampton as they're in the League above.

 

[Triggaaar]

I think Spanish Len's instinct was to get his foot up , win the ball by flicking it over the defender and surge forward. He knew straight away he would be sent off for dangerous kicking.

The challenge was basically the same as when Nani got sent off against Madrid last season, and the general opinion was that it shouldn't have been a red. Ulloa went for the ball, and judging by the reaction of the Reading player, barely touched him. It could have been bad, but it wasn't, and the intent wasn't there.

 

[Kumquat]

The challenge was basically the same as when Nani got sent off against Madrid last season, and the general opinion was that it shouldn't have been a red. Ulloa went for the ball, and judging by the reaction of the Reading player, barely touched him. It could have been bad, but it wasn't, and the intent wasn't there.

It was bad. No doubting that he didn't intend, but if you raise your foot in that instance, you're taking a risk. and if you're saying he barely touched him, then you're watching a differemt incident to me. Even if he had "barely touched him" it would have been seriously reckless. Straight red for me.

 

[Left Footer]

Personally watching it on the box I though the ref had a great game, don`t think he got anything wrong did he?

 

[DavidinSouthampton]

The challenge was basically the same as when Nani got sent off against Madrid last season, and the general opinion was that it shouldn't have been a red. Ulloa went for the ball, and judging by the reaction of the Reading player, barely touched him. It could have been bad, but it wasn't, and the intent wasn't there.

Whether he intended it or not is immaterial. I am sure there was no nastiness there, but it was "Dangerous", and he deserved to be sent off. OG had no complaints..