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The Large One

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Junk food ad crackdown expected

A crackdown on junk food advertising on TV which targets children is set to be announced by regulators.
The idea of restricting advertising was first proposed in public health plans unveiled by ministers two years ago. Ofcom has spent 12 weeks consulting on three options to tighten restrictions on the timing and content of adverts. But the regulator was heavily criticised by campaigners and the Food Standards Agency for not suggesting a total ban before a 9pm watershed. Ofcom has said it is not necessarily the best option because it would restrict advertising to adults and cost the TV industry £240m in revenue.

However, the regulator has said it will listen to proposals put forward about a total ban after being threatened with a legal challenge by the National Heart Forum. One of the options consulted on was to ban junk food advertising during programmes specifically made for children. It was also proposed that all food and drink products be banned during the same programmes - to avoid the problem of defining what should be classed as junk. The final option was to limit the amount of advertising shown to children, although ban it outright for programmes made for pre-school children.

Critics argued that that would only cut down on about half the advertising seen by children and, therefore, would have limited impact on the country's obesity crisis.

Ian Twinn, director of public affairs for the Voice of British Advertisers, said a watershed would hit advertising revenues which would in turn affect programme quality. "We accept there need to be restrictions, we're bringing in a tougher code ourselves so what you say in an ad will have to change - no use of cartoon characters for instance," he said. "The government have said they want to protect primary school children, we agree with that, we think that's right, we think there should be restrictions on food advertising during children's programming time. What we're scared about is extending that and grabbing adult viewing time in the evening, and putting bans into that."

It is estimated that 14% of children in England are clinically obese.

In its submission to the Ofcom consultation, the Food Standards Agency said it supported a pre-9pm watershed on advertisements for products high in fat, salt or sugar as it "would offer a practical means of extending protection to older children and would be consistent with other broadcasting controls". The government has said it wants to see restrictions in place by next year.
 
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Starry

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I wonder how much impact TV really has aon children asking for junk food?
What happened to parents saying no we are not going to McDonalds, you are not having Walkers crisps, Haribo is bad and Dairylea is processed muck? Just because something is on TV doesn't mean you have to feed it to your children.

And parents should get their kids off the sofa, not watching TV, outside on their bikes, with a football and eating proper dinners regardless of what is shown on TV.
 
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Starry said:
I wonder how much impact TV really has aon children asking for junk food?
What happened to parents saying no we are not going to McDonalds, you are not having Walkers crisps, Haribo is bad and Dairylea is processed muck? Just because something is on TV doesn't mean you have to feed it to your children.

And parents should get their kids off the sofa, not watching TV, outside on their bikes, with a football and eating proper dinners regardless of what is shown on TV.




I think kids aren't fat enough. I think we should feed them till they can't even move. We could have competitions in the local Toby Carvery. 'Whos child can eat the most lamb shanks'.
Then we could take them up to the Downs and have rolling competitions with them. Set up some big skittles and bowl them down the Devils Dyke.
Just a thought.
 


I agree Starry. I don't understand why the government (or these various government bodies, including certain regulators) feel the need to intervene to limit public choice. When I was a child (not all that long ago) my parents would take me to McDonalds as a special treat (birthdays etc) and it was awesome. I asked to go all the time, but my parents just said no. It's really not that difficult is it?

I also disagree with the whole school dinners idea. While I agree that more choice should be available, including extensive healthy options, the way to win the battle to reduce obesity is surely to educate people to eat correctly, rather than force feed them? If you teach kids that unhealthy foods are bad for them, and should only be eaten occasionally, but yet still give them some choice, surely that's better than saying "you must eat healthily and that is final"?
 


Starry

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I think kids aren't fat enough. I think we should feed them till they can't even move. We could have competitions in the local Toby Carvery. 'Whos child can eat the most lamb shanks'.
Then we could take them up to the Downs and have rolling competitions with them. Set up some big skittles and bowl them down the Devils Dyke.
Just a thought.

Awesome.

I will start training the baby this morning.
 




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Having followed - Oliver's School dinners, it is remarkable how irresponsible some parents are. The women that we taking orders from the school kids and passing burgers/chips/bacon butties through the school gates was astonishing.

The parents grumble about giving money towards school food, yet they are happy to give their kids £5 a week, who then spend it on crisps/chocolate/sweets etc.

Fast food in moderation is not that damaging to a child. A treat now and then, but everyday.....:nono:

The advertising should be cut back, but banned? The parents have a role to play and their job is not finished at conception!
 
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To be serious though. Why can't people start taking responsibility for their own actions. Its a simple enough equation. To much shit food + not enough exersise = fat child/person.
And there's so much information out there about how to eat and live healthily IMO there's no excuse.
Turn the bloody television off and go to the park (as a family). And start acting like a responsible parent.Then you're killing two birds with one stone.
And while I'm on a roll. Does any one else think that sitting in a car with your children whilst smoking fags is a terrible thing to do. I've seen two people do this today. Big fat ladies puffing on cigarettes with the windows shut.

Yes thats right,go on, if you cant kill em by overfeeding them then give em cancer. Its you're right as a parent to bring up your kids as you see fit.

Rant over.

Normall service shall be resumed shortly.
 


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I agree Starry. I don't understand why the government (or these various government bodies, including certain regulators) feel the need to intervene to limit public choice. When I was a child (not all that long ago) my parents would take me to McDonalds as a special treat (birthdays etc) and it was awesome. I asked to go all the time, but my parents just said no. It's really not that difficult is it?

I also disagree with the whole school dinners idea. While I agree that more choice should be available, including extensive healthy options, the way to win the battle to reduce obesity is surely to educate people to eat correctly, rather than force feed them? If you teach kids that unhealthy foods are bad for them, and should only be eaten occasionally, but yet still give them some choice, surely that's better than saying "you must eat healthily and that is final"?
Can't agree with you there. I think you're hopelessly over-estimating the intelligence of certain sections of the population.

As you state, you may have got taken to MacDonalds AS A TREAT. Nowadays, kids have hissy-fits and tantrums if they can't go as a matter of course. And the end of the day, parents are just pleased if their kids eat anything, so ultimately they will feed them 'anything', without realising the amount of poison they are feeding their children. When I saw those mums who weree feeding their kids fish and chips through the fence at a school which had banned junk food, I was appalled. Those mums are actively encouraging their children to have health problems and in extreme cases, a premature death.

Also, the concept of 'choice' is kind of the darling of the politicos, but the downfall of the masses. I think it is now being seen that 'choice' is not necessarily a good thing because people cannot take responbility for - in this instance - their own wellbeing. On this issue, we have an ill-educated population, and there will be people who wil be told what is good and what is bad, and still go for the rubbish. Giving them 'choice' does them no favours. Banning advertising isn't the total answer, but it is one way of helping people not think about junk food.

Ultmately, of course the answer is education, and not just of the children, but of the parents too. But the concept of choice is like being taught that a gun is a bloody dangerous weapon and should not be used, then giving it to someone anyway. In the end, someone would get hurt. Not the best analogy, but hopefully you know what I mean.
 




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Having read fast food nation you can understand how the fast food marketing machines get into the childs mind from a very early age whether it be toys from McDonalds, Coke machines at schools etc.

I Know it is based on America but I think it's right to do something before it gets as bad in the UK. There'll be no more excuses for parents of fatties after that though.
 


The Large One said:
Can't agree with you there. I think you're hopelessly over-estimating the intelligence of certain sections of the population.

On reflection, I think you are right, and I'm being a bit idealistic.


The Large One said:
As you state, you may have got taken to MacDonalds AS A TREAT. Nowadays, kids have hissy-fits and tantrums if they can't go as a matter of course. And the end of the day, parents are just pleased if their kids eat anything, so ultimately they will feed them 'anything', without realising the amount of poison they are feeding their children. When I saw those mums who weree feeding their kids fish and chips through the fence at a school which had banned junk food, I was appalled. Those mums are actively encouraging their children to have health problems and in extreme cases, a premature death.

I have no experience of parenting, so can't argue from any position of authority on this. However, I know that I certainly threw hissy-fits as a child (as did my friends) demanding to go to McDonalds, etc, but that doesn't stop the parents saying no. Parents will feed children anything, but this is part of the education process. I don't think that now there is any excuse for not realising the dangers/damage caused by feeding children unhealthy food.

The Large One said:
Also, the concept of 'choice' is kind of the darling of the politicos, but the downfall of the masses. I think it is now being seen that 'choice' is not necessarily a good thing because people cannot take responbility for - in this instance - their own wellbeing. On this issue, we have an ill-educated population, and there will be people who wil be told what is good and what is bad, and still go for the rubbish. Giving them 'choice' does them no favours. Banning advertising isn't the total answer, but it is one way of helping people not think about junk food.

Choice is a major problem for all governments, and all political and economic decisions. I suppose one of the problems with being a boring economist is that I subscribe to the idea of rational choice, which is in truth very far from the reality of the situation!
 


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The Large One said:
Can't agree with you there. I think you're hopelessly over-estimating the intelligence of certain sections of the population.

As you state, you may have got taken to MacDonalds AS A TREAT. Nowadays, kids have hissy-fits and tantrums if they can't go as a matter of course. And the end of the day, parents are just pleased if their kids eat anything, so ultimately they will feed them 'anything', without realising the amount of poison they are feeding their children. When I saw those mums who weree feeding their kids fish and chips through the fence at a school which had banned junk food, I was appalled. Those mums are actively encouraging their children to have health problems and in extreme cases, a premature death.

On this issue, we have an ill-educated population, and there will be people who wil be told what is good and what is bad, and still go for the rubbish. Giving them 'choice' does them no favours. Banning advertising isn't the total answer, but it is one way of helping people not think about junk food.

Ultmately, of course the answer is education, and not just of the children, but of the parents too. But the concept of choice is like being taught that a gun is a bloody dangerous weapon and should not be used, then giving it to someone anyway. In the end, someone would get hurt. Not the best analogy, but hopefully you know what I mean.

Youre obviously not including yourself as one of the thick ill educated masses, are you, oh wise one ?

I'll take 'choice' every time, over salaried health officals moving onto the next big scare, telling me, or my family, how to better our corpulent little lives.



But only of course if that's OK with you...
 




robbied69

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TBH, I really don't see what this is going to achieve. The problem must really be dealt with by children's guardians.
 


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Smart Mart said:
Youre obviously not including yourself as one of the thick ill educated masses, are you, oh wise one ?

I'll take 'choice' every time, over salaried health officals moving onto the next big scare, telling me, or my family, how to better our corpulent little lives.



But only of course if that's OK with you...
What's with the petulant flouncy attitutude?
















































































That is SO last Monday.
 






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Smart Mart said:
I aint flounced yet, oh Large One.



PS - and stay off the burgers, they're not good for you.???
That was a flounce. :p

I HATE burgers, except ones from Barfield the Butchers on Fiveways, they're ace brillskill. They're so good, I have to blackmail myself into not having them except at barbecue time in the summer, because I would otherwise munch them the whole time, which is no good.
 
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Billy the Fish

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Everyone is forgetting what really stops obesity, and that is excercise. If you lead an active lifestyle then you can eat pretty much what you want and you will burn of those excess calories. You can go on all the diets you want, but if you sit around on your arse all day then you could still turn out to be a fatty, it all depends on body type and metabolism.
Once again the government has got it wrong and are going after the symptoms and not the root cause. I think they are grossly over estimating the effect of advertising, just because it isn't on TV, doesn't mean it's not there and people aren't aware.
Education is the key, I think people in this country are generally ignorant about diet, I remember the crap my mum used to feed me as a child. The only way around it is to drum it into children from an early age, about the need to eat properly and do enough exercise.
 


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Billy the Fish said:
Everyone is forgetting what really stops obesity, and that is excercise. If you lead an active lifestyle then you can eat pretty much what you want and you will burn of those excess calories. You can go on all the diets you want, but if you sit around on your arse all day then you could still turn out to be a fatty, it all depends on body type and metabolism.
Once again the government has got it wrong and are going after the symptoms and not the root cause. I think they are grossly over estimating the effect of advertising, just because it isn't on TV, doesn't mean it's not there and people aren't aware.
Education is the key, I think people in this country are generally ignorant about diet, I remember the crap my mum used to feed me as a child. The only way around it is to drum it into children from an early age, about the need to eat properly and do enough exercise.
The government has been trying to get kids into exercising for quiete a while now, while all these initiatives - the most recent of which featured Steven Gerrard, even if it is a bit half-arsed. But let's face it, for a layabout, TV-watching nation, the gogglebox is the perfect place to bombard people with messages encouraging people to try and slowly eat themselves to death.

They need to go for symptom AND root cause. To my mind, they need to make exercise encouragement more 'fun' and inclusive, rather than 'if you don't exercise, you'll die...' sort of messages, as well as 'this is what eating this shit does to you...'. There is a balance that can be found - somewhere.
 


Billy the Fish

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The Large One said:
The government has been trying to get kids into exercising for quiete a while now, while all these initiatives - the most recent of which featured Steven Gerrard, even if it is a bit half-arsed. But let's face it, for a layabout, TV-watching nation, the gogglebox is the perfect place to bombard people with messages encouraging people to try and slowly eat themselves to death.

They need to go for symptom AND root cause. To my mind, they need to make exercise encouragement more 'fun' and inclusive, rather than 'if you don't exercise, you'll die...' sort of messages, as well as 'this is what eating this shit does to you...'. There is a balance that can be found - somewhere.
Exactly, one without the other won't work. Again it comes down to attitude and education, two things which cannot be changed overnight. We are in the situation we're in now because these two things have been erroded over time, now is the time to move things in the opposite direction.
There needs to be more compulsary exercise as part of the curriculum, and this should be a mix of competitive sport and just simple PT. It will need to be sold in a way so as to appeal to the less abled kids, to stop them wanting to get out of it.
Also, paying teachers to do after school sports will make a big difference.
 






Meade's Ball

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For companies to stop advertising their promise of ill health, argument and death in fabricated canvasses and acidic fabrics seems perfectly fine to me. I am sure it is better for the government to restrict the capitalist promotion that they have a say in, while possibly working silently on defeating the poverty of many who fail to sour the televised law of their breed.
If they go, will i miss the opportunity to watch Macca D Olympic Operas or moments where women slap the money in their arse pouches at Iceland? No.
 


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