Not really. [MENTION=24003]Falkor[/MENTION] has specified the real damage in post #154. It's about a worthwhile point of principle, it's just that personally I'm not convinced he's guilty anymore.
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Problem for Terry is that he has done so much in the past, people assume he is guilty.
Out of interest, can the FA ban him if found guilty?
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really ?? Where's your source for that ? They attended the same school but there are 4 years difference between rio and steven lawrence , let alone anton, i'd be interested to know why the likes of rio has never mentioned the connection in one of his many anti racism campaigns.
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Rio knew Stephen Lawrence. They played football together at school.
Strangely, some racist people do have black friends. They just tell themselves that the black person they grew up with is one of them, and not like the others. I'm not suggesting that's the case with Terry, but what he said isn't really acceptable, so he could be found guilty.
I don't think that's the case. His defense seems to be that he admits saying the words (so I'm not sure why they needed the lip readers), but he says he was repeating back what Anton had said - ie, Anton called terry a black ****, so Terry replied saying f'ing black ****? F'ing black ****?
Having seen the youtube clips though, he didn't look to be asking a question, he looked to be shouting abuse.
When someone (Anton) is shouting abuse at you though, it would be common to shout abuse back. The crime is that he said black within that abuse, which he shouldn't have done, but it doesn't seem to me like such a big crime.
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I'm on the stitch up scent too. the fact that the Ferdinand's PR guy is at the heart of this, quite frankly stinks.
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stephen lawrence was 4 years older than rio ferdinand, i doubt it very much.
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Sorry Bushy but couldnt disagree with you MORE here.
Anton maybe doesnt need support but his parents may well do.
And is she really 'milking it'. No more than say Sara Paine or Helen Newlove etc. But of course being white Anglo saxons perhaps they wouldnt stoop so low?
I'm not sure they can, but they have said they will have their own investigation, but it was put on hold so as not to prejudice the trial. If he is found guilty I'm sure there would be pressure to complete the investigation (though I hope they will complete it regardless).
The FA won't be investigating whether John Terry is racist, just whether he used an insult that referred to someone's colour.
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Yes really i grew up in the area, my Brother inlaw also was in the same class as Anton, and hung around with them, i guess you knew at the time Anton was tipped as the better brother at football, and Rio acutal first love was doing dancing
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Bushy chats shit all the time, he's a scummy person that sums it up by his Milking it comment
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Really, so you knew both of them and can say that 16 year old steven lawrence played football with 12 year old rio ferdinand yeah ? I've also got a mate who went to blackheath bluecoats when anton was there , describes him as horrible bully who lived off his brothers name.
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i'd be interested to know why you're a brighton fan , growing up in peckham, and you dont even know me , so i'd give it a rest with the personal comments.
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I would suspect that his parents are made of sterner stuff.
Help for Heroes, are they milking it?
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lmfao ok Bushy you have ur story which is blinkered by racial hatred and il have mine.
I have signed pictures from Anton having meet him due to my Brother inlaw so il take his word over yours any day of the week.
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Not really a definitive answer is it ? You've gone from stating categorically that they were family friends, and you knew this from growing up in the area ( until what age, how come you support brighton ?) to posting a link that they " knew each other through football " and a somewhat tenuous connection with anton, backed up by the fact you've got "signed photos of him", hmmmm.
I am concerned that we are taking a clip of JT saying what he said to AF, but no other context. What did AF say to JT and what about the players around them. No player has come out on either side and AF seemed confused as to what had been said to him on the pitch, He had to be told afterwards when the clip was shown. I am affraid we only have AF word what he said to JT leading up to this and we only have JT word why he said what he said.
I agree that JT made a racist remark, But the question is, did he say it in response to AF acussing him of it (JT's defence).Or was it in reaction to AF reference to the affair. All we have seen is one clip, and as AF admits that he did try and wind JT up where is that clip?
I agree that JT made a racist remark, But the question is, did he say it in response to AF acussing him of it (JT's defence).Or was it in reaction to AF reference to the affair. All we have seen is one clip, and as AF admits that he did try and wind JT up where is that clip?
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anyway, i dont want to get into yet another feud on here so i'm just going to leave it now.