[News] Jermaine Jenas sacked…

[Nitram]

He may not be happy at being dropped but don’t forget there are two halves, sorry sides, to every story, and his lawyers will be giving it 110%.

 

[Triggaaar]

I’m with you on this old boy, if it was that cut and dried Talk Sport would have dropped him like a stone, not had him presenting one of the most traditionally listened to shows ( when we are all going home, hence drive time) within minutes/hours of his sacking breaking in the news

The colleague would have complained to the BBC with details, and they'd have checked it was true and dealt with it, while TalkShite probably didn't know the details.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Must be bad if talkSport have dropped him too, they couldn’t wait to recruit Keys and Gray after they were sacked by Sky.

You are right to doubt equivalence. But times do, also, change.

 

[sparkie]

Wasn't the allegation against Huw that he'd paid an adult (who didn't work at the BBC) for photos? Whereas Jermaine has done something wrong to a fellow employee, who has complained? Maybe that's different?

Of course it came to light that Huw did far worse, but that wasn't known initially. And I agree that following the Huw mess, they're going to try and take a harder line.

Not sure - I try to avoid all this sort of stuff now.

Just bored on NSC waiting for any "here we go" s.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

with Edwards BBC were advised dismissal would be prejudical to any case. for Jenas they simply follow their policy with lower threashold for an internal complaint. they are completely different. and yes, this means minor misnomenors in a company are treated more directly than criminal offenses, it's pretty standard though.

Before the age of texts, I can remember a male colleague being escorted off the premises, at work, for making a pass at a female colleague. Summarily dismissed.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Is that not libellous?

I suspect @Professor Plum and @Randy McNob were being facetious about 'racism'.

I am sure they will correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[Brovion]

I agree that this is clearly the perception, but as @Thunder Bolt has pointed out, it is almost certainly incorrect.

But it does mean that Jenas must have been caught with incontrovertible evidence to be summarily dismissed.

I'm not denying that, but I do feel in the 'old days' there would have been more of a tendency to allow 'the talent' some slack. So he sent a few dodgy texts, not a sackable offence is it? We'll have a quiet word. Don't rock the boat, let's keep it in-house, mustn't sully the good name of the BBC, etc.

If those days are truly over - good. (Same applies to the NHS and the Post Office).

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

I'm not denying that, but I do feel in the 'old days' there would have been more of a tendency to allow 'the talent' some slack. So he sent a few dodgy texts, not a sackable offence is it? We'll have a quiet word. Don't rock the boat, let's keep it in-house, mustn't sully the good name of the BBC, etc.

If those days are truly over - good. (Same applies to the NHS and the Post Office).

Yes, it seems that those days are over, and I agree with you that if so, good

 

[LamieRobertson]

Must be bad if talkSport have dropped him too, they couldn’t wait to recruit Keys and Gray after they were sacked by Sky.

I can’t recall Jenas hosting many if any shows before yesterday….so no plans to do so is not really that different

 

[LamieRobertson]

I suspect @Professor Plum and @Randy McNob were being facetious about 'racism'.

I am sure they will correct me if I'm wrong.

Perhaps they’ll need to make that clear in this current age of scrutinising social media posts
As regards to Jenas ….from his responses yesterday this isn’t the end of that matter

 

[Greg Bobkin]

I agree. (It happens!)

Unless the person is caught red handed doing something sackable, there should be a process beginning with suspension on full pay.

Maybe he was

 

[Lenny Rider]

I'm not denying that, but I do feel in the 'old days' there would have been more of a tendency to allow 'the talent' some slack. So he sent a few dodgy texts, not a sackable offence is it? We'll have a quiet word. Don't rock the boat, let's keep it in-house, mustn't sully the good name of the BBC, etc.

If those days are truly over - good. (Same applies to the NHS and the Post Office).

And hopefully HMRC and local government

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Maybe he was

Presumably he certainly was.

 

[Professor Plum]

Is that not libellous?

It might be if it wasn’t slathered in irony 6 inches thick.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I suspect @Professor Plum and @Randy McNob were being facetious about 'racism'.

I am sure they will correct me if I'm wrong.

Forget the racism (which it isn't) but appropriate usernames for the alleged offence.

 

[RandyWanger]

To get sacked by the BBC you must have done something serious wrong!

No loss though, annoying personality and offers nothing as a pundit.

 

[Right Brain Ronnie]

Innocent until proven guilty?

The BBC have clearly charged him, I haven't.

 

[Sarisbury Seagull]

I can’t recall Jenas hosting many if any shows before yesterday….so no plans to do so is not really that different

Ah I didn't know, assumed he was a regular.

Don't really listen to it during the week anymore, only ever listen to their commentaries if there's no other option. And I know he's not everyone's cup of tea, but I think Adrian Durham does a great job of matchday coverage.

 

[dazzer6666]

I'm not denying that, but I do feel in the 'old days' there would have been more of a tendency to allow 'the talent' some slack. So he sent a few dodgy texts, not a sackable offence is it? We'll have a quiet word. Don't rock the boat, let's keep it in-house, mustn't sully the good name of the BBC, etc.

If those days are truly over - good. (Same applies to the NHS and the Post Office).

True. Thresholds for gross misconduct (usually a dismissal offence after due process has been followed - if it’s blindingly obvious that process can be extremely quick) have got lower and lower in my experience (the first office I worked in would have had no staff at all by the end of my first week under current policies ). I’m sure the BBC have endless, detailed policies and what is and isn’t acceptable behaviour

 

[jcdenton08]

This may not apply to Jenas, there are only allegations so far and nobody reputable (even the tabloids) has enough to publish the story yet.

But as a general rule of thumb, never send inappropriate texts, even compliments on appearance, to colleagues or acquaintances you aren’t already in a relationship with. Don’t do this when you’re married. Especially don’t do this when you’re a high profile public figure.

And NEVER send intimate pictures to anyone without their absolute consent (in writing, so you have evidence). Think “if this were exposed (forgive the pun), would I be able to defend it in a hypothetical court with evidence”.

This kind of stuff makes up the vast, vast majority of HR cases.


**an aside**

A large number of cases of “unwanted sexual conduct”, such as unsolicited dick pics or sexual messages, come from two things IMHO.

1. Substances. Don’t get drunk and try it on with your fit colleague.

2. Misread signals. Don’t think just because a colleague is friendly at work that they secretly want you. So many men don’t realise that just because a woman is nice to you, that they want to have sex with you.

I know a guy like this, who thinks every woman who so much as smiles at him is interested. He’s been banned from a few places for macking on waitresses. Absolute sleaze. I can guarantee if he got their numbers, it’d be unsolicited dickpicpalooza.