[Football] Ivan Toney
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Thunder Bolt
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No, I specifically said whisper. I doubt, even he, would be that stupid.
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The 200 bets in question are the football-related ones, there are plenty of other things to bet on that wouldn't be included in this investigation.
Astounded that he’s only got 8 months despite numerous bets on his own team.
- Mar 23, 2023
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He is a gambling addict and literally has a bookies logo on his chest for every game.
There is too much betting advertising in football, it has to stop - it is greed pure and simple, there is plenty of money around without also taking the gambling dollar.
There is too much betting advertising in football, it has to stop - it is greed pure and simple, there is plenty of money around without also taking the gambling dollar.
METALMICKY
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- Jan 30, 2004
- 6,853
Poor Ivan's addiction is just a cop out line in an attempt to get some sympathy and mitigation on the punishment.
This is the issue. This club is funded by a man who sells data to gamblers. No sense of irony.
I wonder if Southgate and others would have leapt to the defense of, say, Joey Barton, had he been caught betting on his own team to lose?
- Aug 8, 2005
- 27,246
Should have been banned for a lot longer and actually why is this not a criminal action? What is the difference between this and a banker who steals money or a stockbroker carrying out insider trading. Disrgraceful that he bet on matches of his own team to lose., That crosses a totally different line to just betting on football in general. He should be finished as a footballer.
KZNSeagull
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Only if he was winning.
Sadly I agree. He can claim what he likes but if he hadn’t have been caught he would still be doing it today. He must’ve known he was addicted or at the least in danger of being addicted. He had the money to seek professional help and if Brentford don’t have a welfare, etc person to provide that support then shame on them.
I’ve never criticised Southgate (well not as much as some) but he’s made a complete fool of himself by treating Toney as the victim rather than the criminal, cheating, greedy b*****d.
I’ve not read the entire thread so apologies if I’ve repeated what others have said
Help ok, but there must be consequences for his illegal actions.
albionalex
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The headline is a bit misleading. He bet on Newcastle to lose whilst he was on loan at other clubs.
Not that I condone it but it is a bit different to betting against a team you're actively involved with (which he did once when on loan at Wigan but not part of the squad).
Not that I condone it but it is a bit different to betting against a team you're actively involved with (which he did once when on loan at Wigan but not part of the squad).
This, of course. Same goes for an alcoholic caught drink driving.
Mind you, if it was a 200th offence the help would have to come after the punishment.
One thing I don't understand is that presumably Brentford spoke to him when the story broke. Presumably he fessed up. So did the club then send him off to get help....or just keep playing him....I don't know the facts, here.
So is Paqueta going to be the same as Toney? Charged (and enjoying it in his case) but playing on and helping his side until they can hide the punishment in the close season?
Certainly had an impact yesterday!
Certainly had an impact yesterday!
It’s looking that way.
But, a Big Six is interested in signing him so perhaps the authorities will try and get this done by Sept 1st so he can have his big move.
Been listening to some of Toney's interview - he's an even bigger idiot than I thought. For example, trying to say the 'rules aren't clear' (they are) and it's a 'grey area' (it isn't) and then goes on to say “None of it was match fixing. I was betting on myself to score first. I’m trying to do the right thing. It’s not like I’m smashing someone to get a yellow card” (unfortunately the interviewer didn't ask him what would happen if , say, he was in a 2 v 1 with the ball and the other player was in a better position to score.......). Also thinks he's been treated more harshly than someone in the lower leagues would be.
Cornwallboy
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- Oct 13, 2022
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I find this very hard to believe as per his interview today:
He also recalled that the scandal led to him being turned away by car insurers and restaurants.
The 27-year-old said: 'I remember at the time when there was allegations, I wanted to go to a restaurant and they were like "no you can't - we're not taking you".
'I was like "what do you mean?" And then it was "the allegations, we're not allowing you in or something like this. I was actually so confused. I was thinking "for starters, it's allegations and second of all you are a restaurant how can you not let someone in because of bad press?"
'I was just baffled, and my car insurance, they wouldn't insure me due to the whole scandal. And I was like "car insurance? They won't have me on their books?". It was baffling.
Seriously would a restaurant really turn him away because he's in breach of FA betting regulations? Maybe they did but I do find it very hard to believe? Likewise car insurance as well. He's waving the sympathy card a bit too much in my opinion.
He also recalled that the scandal led to him being turned away by car insurers and restaurants.
The 27-year-old said: 'I remember at the time when there was allegations, I wanted to go to a restaurant and they were like "no you can't - we're not taking you".
'I was like "what do you mean?" And then it was "the allegations, we're not allowing you in or something like this. I was actually so confused. I was thinking "for starters, it's allegations and second of all you are a restaurant how can you not let someone in because of bad press?"
'I was just baffled, and my car insurance, they wouldn't insure me due to the whole scandal. And I was like "car insurance? They won't have me on their books?". It was baffling.
Seriously would a restaurant really turn him away because he's in breach of FA betting regulations? Maybe they did but I do find it very hard to believe? Likewise car insurance as well. He's waving the sympathy card a bit too much in my opinion.
Badger Boy
Mr Badger
- Jan 28, 2016
- 3,658
I listened to what I assume is the same interview - Diary of a CEO?
I thought he came across pretty much how I expected, as if he were living in a bubble slightly separate from reality. I certainly understand why the FA fought the gambling addiction diagnosis and I think a lot of people will come away from it probably on the FA's side. I think the length of the ban is arbitrary, I don't think it was really based on anything concrete other than wanting to punish him and get him banned. The FA don't seem brilliant at meting out punishments.
He seemed a nice enough fella, seemed quite open and honest but came across to me as being a bit dim but with a real determination to succeed, belief in himself and a really positive outlook. That said, he didn't seem like the sort of bloke I'd want to sit down and have a conversation with.