Second lockdown incoming then.
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Absolute shower of shit.
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Absolute shower of shit.
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- Thread starter goldstone
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Not if people observe social distancing and wear face masks as asked, neither of which are exactly difficult compared to lockdown. People will get what they deserve. The irony wiill be that the selfish behaviour of people like [MENTION=144]goldstone[/MENTION] will see all of us in lockdown if we're not careful.
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
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There are difficult choices ahead to be made, as there have been throughout the pandemic with no easy paths to take (made worse by the government being utterly woeful at every stage of the way). So there is plenty room for debate and discussion, and for different opinions. I am all for that. My posting record on the various Covid threads I hopes shows that I have generally tried to be balanced (albeit my political views are obvious).
BUT - I am concerned that this site is being used for the spread of very specific anti-science, anti-vaccination lies and misinformation. This is dangerous in my opinion. It is not debate. It is not opinion. It is propoganda. And I'd like to ask the mods whether it's possible to manage that in some way?
I'm no great fan of Bill Gates, but to suggest that he's an evil genius using the pandemic to some imagined ends of hs own is absurd and offensive, not least to the many decent scientists and technicians working day and night to get us all a safe solution to this disease.
BUT - I am concerned that this site is being used for the spread of very specific anti-science, anti-vaccination lies and misinformation. This is dangerous in my opinion. It is not debate. It is not opinion. It is propoganda. And I'd like to ask the mods whether it's possible to manage that in some way?
I'm no great fan of Bill Gates, but to suggest that he's an evil genius using the pandemic to some imagined ends of hs own is absurd and offensive, not least to the many decent scientists and technicians working day and night to get us all a safe solution to this disease.
Hancock just on the Today programme.
Nick Robinson: So the scientists are NOT saying workplaces and schools should close
Hancock: That's right
Fairly simple message. Sort yourselves out or lose your pubs altogether for another few weeks.
Albion Dan
Banned
IF? You're still not very sure.
Who can be sure of anything during this period? Are you? Stop being ridiculous.
I despair, I really do, and I'll admit I don't know what to do, even though I'm VERY uncomfortable with some of the views being posted on here.
The problem is, none of this is black and white - it's very difficult to draw a line where stuff one side is considered so whacky that it does not belong here and should, instead, be left on TinFoilHatWearersChat.com - presumably where it was dragged from in the first place.
What the last six months has illustrated, for me, is just how many people I'd happily label utter nutjobs there are out there - far more than I'd have thought possible. I don't know if this volume of people have always existed, or whether the social tools we all have access to has permitted so many (poisoned) seeds to be planted, which has resulted in whole new forests of crazy people sprouting up.
I'm happy to take suggestions.
Albion Dan
Banned
So because someone has a different take on information and has explored a different view of a narrative and is open to the possibility there is a different truth than you they are a Nutjob?
Fortunately as you say there are millions of people in this country who are now allowing themselves to think more freely. That is healthy. If more Germans had done that in the 1930s we’d not have had to endure the Nazis.
And to the poster saying lies have been posted about vaccines can I ask where?
Fortunately as you say there are millions of people in this country who are now allowing themselves to think more freely. That is healthy. If more Germans had done that in the 1930s we’d not have had to endure the Nazis.
And to the poster saying lies have been posted about vaccines can I ask where?
highflyer
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- Jan 21, 2016
- 2,553
Understood. Not easy.
If it were my call (and it isn't) I'd make it clear that there is a line to be crossed, and, while ultimately it can never be completely objective, that line sits somewhere around the point of repeating anti-vaccination misinformation. The mods can collectively take a subjective view if the line has been crossed, and I'd suggest thread bans after the warning has been issued.
I am sure some won't like it, and see it as part of the establishment plot, but they can always retreat to TinFoilHatWearersChat.com as you say.
Albion Dan
Banned
Censorship then just because you as an individual don’t agree with something? As I say please show me where a lie has been posted about vaccines?
Taking a view on a narrative is fine. Posting misleading pictures of the ingredients of the flu jab with names of scary sounding chemicals to make them sound dangerous, when in fact the flu vaccines have been proven to be safe, is not ok, in my opinion.
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Klaas
I've changed this
- Nov 1, 2017
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I despair too, but luckily for me I'm not running a website. Similar discussion here:
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Albion Dan
Banned
It's a factual list of things that are in a vaccine. You think it's a bad thing for people to be aware what they might be putting in their body?
Your Mum
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- Dec 22, 2016
- 484
your mum
Albion Dan
Banned
Yep my mum died when I was 18.
Your Mum
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- Dec 22, 2016
- 484
Your mum
Albion Dan
Banned
Yes my mum is dead. Why do you keep bringing her up?
Alongside which you posted "This is what is in most flu vaccinations. Whom on earth would willingly put this in their body?"
Inferring that it would be dangerous to get a flu vaccine because of those ingredients. It is categorically not, as proved by scientific studies, but your post could lead people to believe that it is.
If you want to make claims that something like a vaccine (which is aimed at saving lives) is dangerous, you should be able to back it up with evidence. In this case, the evidence would need to be that the ingredients listed, in the concentrations present in the vaccine, are dangerous.
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beorhthelm
A. Virgo, Football Genius
- Jul 21, 2003
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you posted a deliberatly mis-informed picture claiming it to be the contents of flu shots.
no it is not, we've covered most the points already.
i dont think we need censorship as we can happily refute the ideas from batland.