[Football] "It's not VAR, it's the people running it"

[Swansman]

and what exactly is semi automatic!! It's auto unless someone in the office disagrees and there is an overide button? It only happens on one side of the pitch, it's getting worse.

Works like this:

"The new technology uses 12 dedicated tracking cameras mounted underneath the roof of the stadium to track the ball and up to 29 data points of each individual player, 50 times per second, calculating their exact position on the pitch. The 29 collected data points include all limbs and extremities that are relevant for making offside calls.

Al Rihla, adidas’ official match ball for Qatar 2022™, will provide a further vital element for the detection of tight offside incidents as an inertial measurement unit (IMU) sensor will be placed inside the ball. This sensor, positioned in the centre of the ball, sends ball data to the video operation room 500 times per second, allowing a very precise detection of the kick point.

By combining the limb- and ball-tracking data and applying artificial intelligence, the new technology provides an automated offside alert to the video match officials inside the video operation room whenever the ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position at the moment the ball was played by a team-mate. Before informing the on-field referee, the video match officials validate the proposed decision by manually checking the automatically selected kick point and the automatically created offside line, which is based on the calculated positions of the players’ limbs. This process happens within a few seconds and means that offside decisions can be made faster and more accurately."

 

[Easy 10]

Works like this:

"The new technology uses 12 dedicated tracking cameras mounted underneath the roof of the stadium to track the ball and up to 29 data points of each individual player, 50 times per second, calculating their exact position on the pitch. The 29 collected data points include all limbs and extremities that are relevant for making offside calls.

Al Rihla, adidas’ official match ball for Qatar 2022™, will provide a further vital element for the detection of tight offside incidents as an inertial measurement unit (IMU) sensor will be placed inside the ball. This sensor, positioned in the centre of the ball, sends ball data to the video operation room 500 times per second, allowing a very precise detection of the kick point.

By combining the limb- and ball-tracking data and applying artificial intelligence, the new technology provides an automated offside alert to the video match officials inside the video operation room whenever the ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position at the moment the ball was played by a team-mate. Before informing the on-field referee, the video match officials validate the proposed decision by manually checking the automatically selected kick point and the automatically created offside line, which is based on the calculated positions of the players’ limbs. This process happens within a few seconds and means that offside decisions can be made faster and more accurately."

Jesus christ.

There was a game I used to watch once, called football.

 

[tronnogull]

Works like this:

"The new technology uses 12 dedicated tracking cameras mounted underneath the roof of the stadium to track the ball and up to 29 data points of each individual player, 50 times per second, calculating their exact position on the pitch. The 29 collected data points include all limbs and extremities that are relevant for making offside calls.

Al Rihla, adidas’ official match ball for Qatar 2022™, will provide a further vital element for the detection of tight offside incidents as an inertial measurement unit (IMU) sensor will be placed inside the ball. This sensor, positioned in the centre of the ball, sends ball data to the video operation room 500 times per second, allowing a very precise detection of the kick point.

By combining the limb- and ball-tracking data and applying artificial intelligence, the new technology provides an automated offside alert to the video match officials inside the video operation room whenever the ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position at the moment the ball was played by a team-mate. Before informing the on-field referee, the video match officials validate the proposed decision by manually checking the automatically selected kick point and the automatically created offside line, which is based on the calculated positions of the players’ limbs. This process happens within a few seconds and means that offside decisions can be made faster and more accurately."

How would the technology know if he was interfering with play.....?

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Works like this:

"The new technology uses 12 dedicated tracking cameras mounted underneath the roof of the stadium to track the ball and up to 29 data points of each individual player, 50 times per second, calculating their exact position on the pitch. The 29 collected data points include all limbs and extremities that are relevant for making offside calls.

Al Rihla, adidas’ official match ball for Qatar 2022™, will provide a further vital element for the detection of tight offside incidents as an inertial measurement unit (IMU) sensor will be placed inside the ball. This sensor, positioned in the centre of the ball, sends ball data to the video operation room 500 times per second, allowing a very precise detection of the kick point.

By combining the limb- and ball-tracking data and applying artificial intelligence, the new technology provides an automated offside alert to the video match officials inside the video operation room whenever the ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position at the moment the ball was played by a team-mate. Before informing the on-field referee, the video match officials validate the proposed decision by manually checking the automatically selected kick point and the automatically created offside line, which is based on the calculated positions of the players’ limbs. This process happens within a few seconds and means that offside decisions can be made faster and more accurately."

Thanks but surely the checking and validating bit is where it will go horribly wrong, keep humans out of it.

 

[Swansman]

How would the technology know if he was interfering with play.....?

I'm guessing it probably can't.

Thanks but surely the checking and validating bit is where it will go horribly wrong, keep humans out of it.

I think soon enough it will be entirely automatic

 

[drew]

How would the technology know if he was interfering with play.....?

Let's be honest, most offside decisions normally only relate to the player scoring the goal. If an automated system can identify the offside far quicker than some prats at Stockley Park drawing lines then it's up to the ref to decide if they are interferring! Doesn't eliminate human opinion but it should speed up the process.

 

[Bodian]

Let's be honest, most offside decisions normally only relate to the player scoring the goal. If an automated system can identify the offside far quicker than some prats at Stockley Park drawing lines then it's up to the ref to decide if they are interferring! Doesn't eliminate human opinion but it should speed up the process.

But the most contentious and soul destroying ones (Argie Mac, Sterling in the CL a while back, that Juventus goal the other night) all involved a non-scoring player being offside.

 

[drew]

But the most contentious and soul destroying ones (Argie Mac, Sterling in the CL a while back, that Juventus goal the other night) all involved a non-scoring player being offside.

As disappointing as Ali Mac's was, it was correct. Juve would have been correct had the officials spotted the defender marking the non existent winger!! Can't remember Sterling's.

 

[Bodian]

As disappointing as Ali Mac's was, it was correct. Juve would have been correct had the officials spotted the defender marking the non existent winger!! Can't remember Sterling's.

The point I was making was that Ali Mac's wouldn't have been picked up by this system if it only operates when the 'ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position...', nor would the Juventus one, because in neither case was the 'offside' player the one who received the ball. So - quite how would it operate for these (good if it doesn't).

The Sterling one was maybe a poor example - it was where the defender played it backwards, it touched a city player on the way, went to Ageuro in an offside position, who passed to Sterling to score. That was the moment VAR killed some of the joy of a goal for me - ruling out a last-minute winner that no one actually had any issues with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6TBTo6lT-o

 

[Neville's Breakfast]

Jesus christ.

There was a game I used to watch once, called football.

Yeah, that disappeared when the IT department took over the running of it in the interests of the gambling community.

 

[drew]

The point I was making was that Ali Mac's wouldn't have been picked up by this system if it only operates when the 'ball is received by an attacker who was in an offside position...', nor would the Juventus one, because in neither case was the 'offside' player the one who received the ball. So - quite how would it operate for these (good if it doesn't).

The Sterling one was maybe a poor example - it was where the defender played it backwards, it touched a city player on the way, went to Ageuro in an offside position, who passed to Sterling to score. That was the moment VAR killed some of the joy of a goal for me - ruling out a last-minute winner that no one actually had any issues with. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6TBTo6lT-o

Ok, but I'm pretty sure the semi automatic system doesn't just check for an offside of a player that touches the ball. It would then be up to the ref or the VAR to decide if the player was interfering in play.

VAR isn't great but then what has previously spoiled the game for me is declining ref standards. As to the Sterling goal, it is not the best example because it was the right decision.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Ok, but I'm pretty sure the semi automatic system doesn't just check for an offside of a player that touches the ball. It would then be up to the ref or the VAR to decide if the player was interfering in play.

VAR isn't great but then what has previously spoiled the game for me is declining ref standards. As to the Sterling goal, it is not the best example because it was the right decision.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DjZNt7C2Pfw