Not Andy Naylor
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Wayne Rooney will be the next England manager, take it from me.
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[Albion] "It's like Graham Potter football with five added espresso shots!"
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Ok, so the FA would illegally tap up a manager - one who is employed by a club that is a member of the FA - ask the manager to bend the rules - if possible - through resigning mid-season and then very discreetly - to avoid any suspicion of wrongdoing - immediately sneak into the England manager role?
As I said: fantasies.
If that were within the rules, why wouldn't EVERYONE do it?
Do you think Potter could have 'resigned' from his job here, then signed at Chelsea, saving his new employer £20m
No. England and an inter PL move are totally different.
We're talking ifs anyway and neither me, you or Swansman know what would have happened but England certainly don't need an immediate start after a World Cup. A caretaker can cover if ANY manager is still at a club, manager resigns, England appoint new permanent manager a few weeks or months later.
We're missing the point here, which is that England manager is a bigger job than Brighton manager but not a bigger job than Chelsea manager. That's just the way it is.
However......
.....you're certainly more ITK then anyone else on this thread. Rooney would be an ok-ish fit so I can certainly see what you're saying. But a young manager, at the start of his career who may go on to land a Premier League job if he does well? Surely not. England's only for hasbeens apparently
Bigger? yes. More desirable, considering our squad, finances and position in the league? Only to the clinically insane.
Well, so you keep saying, but then you said Potter wouldn't go to Chelsea
The England job really isn't as unattractive as you think it from over there in Sweden. You said something like it's only for managers at the end of their career or who can't get Premier League jobs.
Well, Southgate was young-ish for a manager when he got it and Hodgson, while not at the start of his career by any means went on to get Premier League jobs (yes, plural).
Fact is Southgate will go at the end of the World Cup, probably because we'll have a poor competition and he'll get found out, but also because England managers have a big tournament shelf life. Fact also is the FA are likely to want an English, or at least British but not Scottish manager.
There is no way that Potter will take that job now, having just joined Chelsea. But assuming he didn't go to Chelsea and everything else stayed equal, the short list for that role really looks like Potter, Parker, Gerrard, Lampard, Howe, Cooper (S), Dyche or Lee Carsley.
From that group Potter would be about mid-range in bookies price and would, at least, talk to the FA.
In reality, nothing stays the same and I'd say the current likeliest candidates to get it are Smeddie if the Saudis pull the trigger, else Dyche, Parker, Carsley or whichever of Lampard and Gerrard has been sacked by then.
There really aren't any other English / Welsh managers who fit the bill and are good enough.
He actually didn’t say he’d go to the England job TBF, just that he’d be gone after the World Cup…….personally I think GP was going to go to the first ‘big club’ (ie CL) that had some kind of ‘project’ and were prepared to triple/quadruple/more his wages. The WC provides just the kind of break to allow daft owners to take stock. Klopp will start looking flakey if he can’t beat teams like Brighton
Buyout works both ways……Potter couldn’t simply walk away and walk into another job. Contract will have clauses preventing taking other management jobs - he’d have to buy his way out of the contract (hence normally the new employer does it).
Nobby Cybergoat
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To me, the next England manager is more likely to be foreign, than Rooney, Gerrard etc
Cooper and Rodgers may also be in the frame by then
Agree the FA aren't going to poach an existing club manager and most existing club manager's would rather stay where they are than take on the national job.
Cooper and Rodgers may also be in the frame by then
Agree the FA aren't going to poach an existing club manager and most existing club manager's would rather stay where they are than take on the national job.
AmexRuislip
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If so, he'll draw all the old grannies away from the wrestling to watching England
I think we see that as Brighton fans but there's no doubt that England is always a "project" and that winning the World Cup with England is the sort of thing that gets you stopped in the street, statues commissioned, tea with the King and all that jazz. Even winning the next Euros is probably a knighthood. And Potter could have done all that without moving house, spending more family time and without taking Bruno and Roberts and still be in charge of a team many here support. It's not exactly unattractive.
It is all purely hypothetical though, as he won't go there from Chelsea.
Whatever the ins and outs of the contractual situation and compo he was being touted for it by many media pundits. Barry Glendenning did so on football weekly. More than one TalkSport talking head did. You'd think they'd know a bit about it,
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dejavuatbtn
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I’m sure he will make a horlicks of it.
Due to the number of visitors to their blogs?
Opinion based jobs. Anyone who has a way with words and know a few editors can do it.
It is similar to the Rob Sanchez Spain vs England situation... they don't have a clue. Lazy and complacent.
The FA signing a PL manager mid-season isn't (and wasn't) happening.
Well yeah, anybody would sign up to winning the world cup, but unfortunately that's not going to happen. You're signing up to work part time for most of the year, have a load of fat knobheads shout abuse at you about how you're not getting
the best out of Grealish, and then get knocked out on penalties if you're lucky.
To be clear, I think most if not all of the Premier League jobs are more appealing than the England job, not just Brighton.
I feel like this bit is really being addressed at somebody else, so I'll disregard it other than to observe that my opinion of people who make a living talking about football is only marginally better than my opinion of people who write about music for a living
Well by your definition [MENTION=10202]Not Andy Naylor[/MENTION] is just a lazy guy who knows a few editors and he's said it's going to be Wayne Rooney who is (*checks*) NOT a current PL manager.
But then I guess you've based that last sentence on what's happened in the past. Shall we have a guess what's different this time?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I think [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] may have had those 5 espresso shots in a pint of Guinness and downed in one the way this thread is going.
I think [MENTION=616]Guinness Boy[/MENTION] may have had those 5 espresso shots in a pint of Guinness and downed in one the way this thread is going.
In what way?
It comes down to
a) The England job is bigger, with better potential rewards than ours
b) There are always ways round contractual agreements, particularly when there are going to be four and a half years between World Cups and
c) Since it won't be Potter the next England manager probably won't be very good.
Which bits do you disagree with?
Bold Seagull
strong and stable with me, or...
I think it is the enthusiasm and zeal you are pursuing a hypothetical argument rather than disagreeing with any particular point on a thread that was about RDZ's differences to GP, that I was referring to you having the 5 expresso shots from the thread title, and the Guinness - well because you are Guinness Boy.
Umm... not following really. But yeah sure Rooney is a decent call.
Personally I think it is more likely with someone currently out of a job or already employed by the FA.
Wow. You really have a low opinion of English international management and it's arrangements, don't you ?
Wow. You really have a low opinion of English international management and it's arrangements, don't you ?
No, no... not at all - you seem to be very good at this "appoint a decent leader" thing...
More seriously speaking, I think Rooney did a great job for Derby but appointing a manager who was a teammate of several those still playing for the national team is a bit wonky.