It WAS a pen

[Lord Bamber]

Well by the logic of yesterday's decision, yes.

My only query about this debate is whether the referee honestly believed that the free kick HAD been taken when he blew for the infringement by Greer. Because it was kicked at some point wasn't it, and we're talking a fraction of a second here? Maybe, just maybe, he honestly thought it had been taken, in which case this entire argument is irrelevant.

I do wish sometimes they would just come out and explain themselves, because if that was the case, then at least we'd know.

Sense, perfect sense, just like goal line technology

 

[Everest]

Well by the logic of yesterday's decision, yes.

My only query about this debate is whether the referee honestly believed that the free kick HAD been taken when he blew for the infringement by Greer. Because it was kicked at some point wasn't it, and we're talking a fraction of a second here? Maybe, just maybe, he honestly thought it had been taken, in which case this entire argument is irrelevant.

I do wish sometimes they would just come out and explain themselves, because if that was the case, then at least we'd know.

Going by the video they played when Claridge was talking out of his arse, the ref blew the whistle, the kick was taken, the ref blew again.
The only thing it doesn't 100% show is actually if the offence occurred before the kick was taken.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Going by the video they played when Claridge was talking out of his arse, the ref blew the whistle, the kick was taken, the ref blew again.
The only thing it doesn't 100% show is actually if the offence occurred before the kick was taken.

Indeed It's going to be our Grassy Knoll moment, forever.

 

[Everest]

Edan, couldn't he be arrested for impersonating a sane football pundit?

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Edan, couldn't he be arrested for impersonating a sane football pundit?

Or for being a middle aged man who looks like his Mum still cuts his hair.

Can I just qualify this by saying I've never liked him as a pundit, and whatever he said last night has little to do with that?

 

[Everest]

Sorry, I speeled yor name rong Edan

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Edan, couldn't he be arrested for impersonating a sane football pundit?

Anyway, if you rounded up all the rubbish pundits, there wouldn't be enough police cells in the country, we'd have to start a floating off-shore prison for them all. A sort of Shawshank Redemption, but for washed-up footballers who talk crap.

"Shearer? Cell 237. Crooks: 49. Claridge: 605. Redknapp (J): 188. Roll call at 0700 hours. Oh, and meet your new wing-mate, Townsend. He's a lifer, with no prospect of parole. So watch your step, assholes".

 

[Ecosse Exile]

Anyway, if you rounded up all the rubbish pundits, there wouldn't be enough police cells in the country, we'd have to start a floating off-shore prison for them all. A sort of Shawshank Redemption, but for washed-up footballers who talk crap.

"Shearer? Cell 237. Crooks: 49. Claridge: 605. Redknapp (J): 188. Roll call at 0700 hours. Oh, and meet your new wing-mate, Townsend. He's a lifer, with no prospect of parole. So watch your step, assholes".

OOH can we, please please please, can we, pretty please!

 

[Everest]

"Shearer? Cell 237. Crooks: 49. Claridge: 605. Redknapp (J): 188. Roll call at 0700 hours. Oh, and meet your new wing-mate, Townsend. He's a lifer, with no prospect of parole. So watch your assholes".

That's better.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If Greer had not done what he did...it would not have been a penalty. I'm sure of this.

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Well, the fact is nothing is going to change the result now - 2-2 it is.

However, at every game, somewhere in the crowd, lurks a referee assessor [I'm good mates with the brother of one]. It is instances like this that, IF he got it wrong, [in the eyes of the assessor] he will get marked poorly. With several poor marks, he risks being downgraded [back to conference footie or running the line maybe].

Suggest we keep an eye out for his name in future games [not just ours] to see if he still has a job.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

OOH can we, please please please, can we, pretty please!

Of course....who else would you lock up?

 

[clarkey]

Of course....who else would you lock up?

Dion Dublin (did you know he played for United?)

 

[logan89]

How come we had more cameras at the Aberdeen friendly than we did for a League match? If we had the same amount, it might have cleared up this situation.

My opinion, if a defender punches (or aggresively pushes, hits etc.) an attacker in the box before or after a free kick is taken, I feel it should be given as a penalty and a red card.

Why should just before a free kick is taken be different from just after? Plus this should also be enforced for corner kicks. The amount of times that shirt pulling goes on is unreal. Give a penalty and eventually it will stop.

 

[Ecosse Exile]

Well i do believe you said something about opponents who are complete pricks, gobby Scousers, fat little wind up merchant/saying nasty things about his Mum and most definately Scott McGleish.

That would do for starters and can we have Cantona as a prison officer just for the ones talking about peoples mums.

I would then suggest towing said off-shore prison out to the middle of the ocean and sinking it but i realise this would be a bit extreme as i actually quite like Cantona

 

[Sheebo]

Game is in action as soon as whistle is blown, not when the ball is kicked

A) Most people are suggesting you are wrong...

B) I thought u were on holiday for the first few games if I remember rightly someone offering to 'come see you' in your seat?!?!?!!?!?!?

 

[withdeanwombat]

I think the fa should make a statement on whether the ref was right or wrong.

Dear NSC.

The referee was right,
Yours sincerely,
The FA.

 

[Easy 10]

Also personaly it looked to me as if the ref blew his whistle as he was running over to sort things out which surely means the ball was not in play.

Thats also my recollection - he didn't blow for the free kick to be taken, he blew when he started running over to sort out the fracas with Greer and THEN the ball was played. Hence the ball was most definitely still dead BEFORE the whistle was blown, and BEFORE the Greer incident that earned the red card occurred.

I must admit at the time I wasn't sure whether a pen could be awarded under those circumstances, but having seen the rule quoted now, its quite clear that the red could rightly be shown, but then the free-kick should have been retaken.

Its like when you see jostling in the box for a corner. I've seen the ref delay the corner being taken while he books someone for it (sometimes one player from each side), and then once thats sorted he'll wave for the corner to be taken. But what he DOESN'T do is book someone and then award a pen.

 

[clapham_gull]

Not sure why everyone is giving Claridge a hard time, he was relating an incident where possible the ref wasn't sure of the rules himself.

He one of the more informed pundits on the box and knows the lower leagues like the back of his hand. I know who I'd rather have rather than a patronising "ex-premiership player thinking what the hell am I doing sitting on this pile of scaffolding in the rain" you get when the terrestrial channels cover the early rounds of the cup.

 

[ROSM]

Having seen it on the BBC highlights it looks to me that the sequence is;

1) ref blows the whistle for the kick to be taken and runs toward the box
2) the kick is taken
3) ref blows the whistle as he sees the greer incident (you can clearly hear another whistle after the ball is kicked)

what we dont see is

a) when the greer incident took place

so the ref can award the penalty if he believes the incident (a) occurs after step (2) and from the replya I can see how he believes that was the case even if we know from our own recollection that the incident with greer actually occurred at least between steps 1 and 2 if not earlier.

I suppose what I'm saying is you can understand how the error (if it was one) occurred