Is Keir really credible?

[rogersix]

It's 'Tories'.

COVID and Ukraine meant ridiculous spending levels, combine that with a worldwide energy crisis and the world is skint.

People always think the grass is always greener, Labour will get in before folk get fed up then another 3 or 4 terms under Tory rule. It's a cycle.

My big caveat in all this, when he gets in, the likes of McDonnell, McCluskey, Abbott and Long-Bailey will pop their heads up and demand a piece of the action.

yeah, i know, so i changed it.

so bungle missed mutiple churchillian moments, he was incompetent, entirely unsuitable for office.

that's not what caveat means

 

[Is it PotG?]

So Covid, Ukraine, energy crisis are the excuses now, and yet the end of Labour in 2010 was 'fed up' rather than being blamed by a right wing press that convinced the public they caused a global financial crash? Who are we letting off the hook again...oh yeah the bankers...

The majority the Tories had has been wiped by those two main factors. I'll bet you $5 that the Labour reign is only one term.

 

[Questions]

Precisely.

I listened all afternoon to Colin Powell and Jack Straw explaining why action had to be taken in Iraq, with Blix spending ten years unable to check for WMD as Saddam pissed him about.

I didn't agree with the war but I agreed with the decision to stand by America and go to war, labour and conservative foresquare together, rather than Blair tell the Americans to piss off (which would have had the tories and the media crucify labour for betraying our allies and giving succour to terrorism).

The aftertiming following the revelation that the existence of WMDs was 'hyped' (i.e., invented - and needlessly so, Blair's only error) is as ludicrous as it is foolhardy. When the criticism comes from the left (as it mostly does) it does nothing more than undermine the support for labour (today) and help the conservatives. Which is exactly what the extreme left wants - the labour party destroyed so that a New Socialist Party can arise, with Corbyn at the helm (see posts passim by Jolly Green Giant, even in the last week!).

I am very much fed up with all this sneaky campaigning for the conservatives by the extreme left, in the hope that it will facilitate The Revolution. And I am disgusted by the way parts of the right seize upon it, in order to portray 'new' labour as bad (with Corbyn labour of course bad) and Starmer's labour bad for being both 'cosplay Blair' AND extremely left wing and Corbinny. It's time all these pillocks all just ****ed right off.

Blix was hampered no doubt. But he never found anything and stated he felt it unlikely there was any WMD.
I re-write of history now you and others feel the guilt in supporting the vicious war.

 

[Is it PotG?]

yeah, i know, so i changed it.

so bungle missed mutiple churchillian moments, he was incompetent, entirely unsuitable for office.

that's not what caveat means

What did I say it meant? It was a warning.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Kier's presentation is excellent.

How good it is to listen to confidence not glibness; aspiration not hubris; honesty instead of lies.

 

[WATFORD zero]

The speech sounds very good, but this thread is far more entertaining

 

[rogersix]

What did I say it meant? It was a warning.

so after all that corruption, you're still going to vote truss?

 

[Is it PotG?]

so after all that corruption, you're still going to vote truss?

Have NEVER voted Tory in my life, never will.

I live in a massive Tory majority, so I don't bother.

 

[Questions]

Why?

Your hardly likely to be up to date on Starmers latest speech if you’re not listening to it are you.

 

[Weststander]

Precisely.

I listened all afternoon to Colin Powell and Jack Straw explaining why action had to be taken in Iraq, with Blix spending ten years unable to check for WMD as Saddam pissed him about.

I didn't agree with the war but I agreed with the decision to stand by America and go to war, labour and conservative foresquare together, rather than Blair tell the Americans to piss off (which would have had the tories and the media crucify labour for betraying our allies and giving succour to terrorism).

The aftertiming following the revelation that the existence of WMDs was 'hyped' (i.e., invented - and needlessly so, Blair's only error) is as ludicrous as it is foolhardy. When the criticism comes from the left (as it mostly does) it does nothing more than undermine the support for labour (today) and help the conservatives. Which is exactly what the extreme left wants - the labour party destroyed so that a New Socialist Party can arise, with Corbyn at the helm (see posts passim by Jolly Green Giant, even in the last week!).

I am very much fed up with all this sneaky campaigning for the conservatives by the extreme left, in the hope that it will facilitate The Revolution. And I am disgusted by the way parts of the right seize upon it, in order to portray 'new' labour as bad (with Corbyn labour of course bad) and Starmer's labour bad for being both 'cosplay Blair' AND extremely left wing and Corbinny. It's time all these pillocks all just ****ed right off.

Did you listen to the first hour of Nicky Campbell's phone in today, there were a few Corbynistas slagging Starmer and his ilk off?

One from Scotland said there they're not called "Tory Light", instead "Red Tories". I had a suspicion he was SNP, but he didn't offer that.

The others said stuff like Starmer had copied Corbyn's manifesto, others that they couldn't possibly accept things until Corbyn had the whip back.


My view .... give the bloke a chance if and when in office. He's never come across as a raving capitalist with no sense of fairness, to me.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Blix was hampered no doubt. But he never found anything and stated he felt it unlikely there was any WMD.
I re-write of history now you and others feel the guilt in supporting the vicious war.

I said I didn't support the war

Blix never got the chance to find WMD because he kept being prevented to properly inspect by Saddam. This went on for ten years. Blix's solution was to go back and try to inspect again. A nice little earner for Blix.

America took the decision to invade without any clue of an end game. That is arguably wrong. With hindsight of course it is wrong. At the time it was easy to argue that Saddam had to be removed.

And my other point, that mischievous wankers use this, still, to beat current labour with, still, is fact.

 

[rogersix]

Have NEVER voted Tory in my life, never will.

I live in a massive Tory majority, so I don't bother.

wha......? so you moved to a tory stronghold, knowing that you would never have to bother to vote?

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Did you listen to the first hour of Nicky Campbell's phone in today, there were a few Corbynistas slagging Starmer and his ilk off?

One from Scotland said there they're not called "Tory Light", instead "Red Tories". I had a suspicion he was SNP, but he didn't offer that.

The others said stuff like Starmer had copied Corbyn's manifesto, others that they couldn't possibly accept things until Corbyn had the whip back.

Yep. I may have mentioned this earlier today. Mrs T had to leave the room. I had a bit of a sigh and an occasional titter.

Any phone in, any opportunity, the tiny number of campaigning loony leftists (and rightists) pile in, casting mischief around like bad confetti.

 

[Is it PotG?]

wha......? so you moved to a tory stronghold, knowing that you would never have to bother to vote?

When we moved house, the politics were the last thing on my mind.

We moved for the usual reasons.

 

[KZNSeagull]

British Power to British People. That's a good line.

 

[Is it PotG?]

Has he done 'Education, Education, Education' yet?

 

[beorhthelm]

he's got them on their feet with publically owned Great British Energy, overlooking the debt burden building all the infrastructure promised. need to move on from public ownership to a more advanced model.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

he's got them on their feet with publically owned Great British Energy, overlooking the debt burden building all the infrastructure promised. need to move on from public ownership to a more advanced model.

It's cheaper to nationalise the industry than it is to 'borrow' money to put into customer accounts which then has to be paid back.

 

[KZNSeagull]

A mortgage guarantee scheme. What's that then?

 

[rogersix]

When we moved house, the politics were the last thing on my mind.

We moved for the usual reasons.

so you've never voted in your life?