[Politics] Is democracy in crisis?

[BadFish]

If people are believing the lies then the liars are not going to stop are they? So the truth tellers have to up their game, significantly.

This. We need the truth tellers to buy the biggest social media outlet and skew its algorithms to telling the truth.

Or perhaps they could buy sky/fox?

On no account should people become more savvy and check the facts being presented to them or improve their media literacy.

The truth is out there. It's just too hard for people to find.

Fake news/project fear.

 

[portlock seagull]

This. We need the truth tellers to buy the biggest social media outlet and skew its algorithms to telling the truth.

Or perhaps they could buy sky/fox?

On no account should people become more savvy and check the facts being presented to them or improve their media literacy.

The truth is out there. It's just too hard for people to find.

Fake news/project fear.

Never going to happen. The richest people, always in history, aren’t interested in anything but control and power. Obviously in their interests. The problem with poorer people like you and I is we see the world through our own eyes. You don’t become a despot without ignoring everything other than money, even if the price is everything else including people and the planet!

 

[BadFish]

Never going to happen. The richest people, always in history, aren’t interested in anything but control and power. Obviously in their interests. The problem with poorer people like you and I is we see the world through our own eyes. You don’t become a despot without ignoring everything other than money, even if the price is everything else including people and the planet!

Quite, I don't think people understand the influence of the likes of Murdoch and now Musk. People aren't stupid for believing this stuff, its hard not to if you choose to consume it day in day out.

About a year ago my sister in law persuaded my mother in law to watch sky news. She has always been a Christian who values Christian morals, decency and the importance of the law. She has gone from seeing trump as a morally bankrupt charlatan who is unfit to run for the presidency to 'I like him, he's a good Christian' and totally flabbergasted that the rest of the family still see him the way she used to. She isn't stupid, but she has allowed the Murdoch bilge into her house on a daily basis without bothering to fact check their nonsense.

How on earth do those telling the truth deal with such choices.

As James o Brien says its far easy to sell tickets to the ghost train than the speak yoyr weight machine.

 

[portlock seagull]

Quite, I don't think people understand the influence of the likes of Murdoch and now Musk. People aren't stupid for believing this stuff, its hard not to if you choose to consume it day in day out.

About a year ago my sister in law persuaded my mother in law to watch sky news. She has always been a Christian who values Christian morals, decency and the importance of the law. She has gone from seeing trump as a morally bankrupt charlatan who is unfit to run for the presidency to 'I like him, he's a good Christian' and totally flabbergasted that the rest of the family still see him the way she used to. She isn't stupid, but she has allowed the Murdoch bilge into her house on a daily basis without bothering to fact check their nonsense.

How on earth do those telling the truth deal with such choices.

As James o Brien says its far easy to sell tickets to the ghost train than the speak yoyr weight machine.

I despise Murdoch and Musk. I know there are probably lesser evils than they who I enrich but I flatly refuse to buy Murdochs press and Musks Tesla brands because of. I don’t understand why friends further empower them because eg ‘I like Tesla cars…’ FFS, have some integrity and morals!!!

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Remember you operate in a political bubble,

i dont, I tend to be kicked out of them. Thats how cults work.

 

[Crawley Dingo]

Are you saying that they ARE eating cats and dogs then?

I was saying Trump win by landslide.

 

[Bodian]

I was saying Trump win by landslide.

Yes, he did. But that's not actually what we were talking about. We were talking about how people telling the truth could get their message across better than the liars. And your response was effectively that they weren't liars - we were just thinking that because of the 'bubble' we are in, and that what was said may actually be true.

So, I'll ask a different way - if you think what Trump has been saying is not a lie - where is the evidence of the cat and dog eating?

 

[dsr-burnley]

I think the biggest mistake the left (amongst whom I do not count myself) is underestimating how stupid some voters can be. Across all parties and all territories.

I don't think the left do underestimate how stupid people are if they don't agree with them. Frequently we see it on here and in plenty of other places, where the self-appointed clever people tell the people who vote the "wrong" way how stupid they are.

Perhaps it's not so much the identification of the stupid that is the problem. Perhaps the attitude of "you're too stupid to make your own mind up" is not a vote-winner.

 

[Greenbag50]

The owner of one of the biggest social media platforms is about to get a job in the US Government. Let that sink in for a minute.

Unfortunately way too many journalists just take stories verbatim from social media these days, including serious ones. Thus we had the Today programme no less stating as fact yesterday that Israelis were about to be “rescued” from Amsterdam by plane.

Imagine Bozza selling this site to a pro Labour investor who pushed all threads and posts by patrons to the top and created hundreds of pro SKS posts by bots. Some on here wet their knickers when a moderator dares to have an opinion

If that’s how the Americans want their system to work, great.
If they don’t like it, they can change it.
They voted for Trump, knowing what they were getting.

 

[lasvegan]

The owner of one of the biggest social media platforms is about to get a job in the US Government. Let that sink in for a minute.

Unfortunately way too many journalists just take stories verbatim from social media these days, including serious ones. Thus we had the Today programme no less stating as fact yesterday that Israelis were about to be “rescued” from Amsterdam by plane.

Imagine Bozza selling this site to a pro Labour investor who pushed all threads and posts by patrons to the top and created hundreds of pro SKS posts by bots. Some on here wet their knickers when a moderator dares to have an opinion

The previous owner banned all anti establishment opinions, even though they were all actually true. Why don’t you let that sink in for a minute…

 

[BadFish]

The previous owner banned all anti establishment opinions, even though they were all actually true. Why don’t you let that sink in for a minute…

The previous owner did not ban "all anti-establishment opinions' and they were not 'all actually true'.

I am going to file this sentence under bullshit propaganda.

Unless you can provide evidence to back up this rather wild claim.

 

[lasvegan]

The previous owner did not ban "all anti-establishment opinions' and they were not 'all actually true'.

I am going to file this sentence under bullshit propaganda that those of low moral standing may use to get themselves or their cronies elected (I am not allowed to say that is it stupid to belive that this is the case, but it is!)

Unless you can provide evidence to back up this rather wild claim.

Well, what did they ban?

Lets start with Hunter‘s lap top.

 

[BadFish]

Well, what did they ban?

Lets start with Hunter‘s lap top.

Its your claim, you have started with 'All' which clearly isn't true. That's all I am pointing out

 

[lasvegan]

Its your claim, you have started with 'All' which clearly isn't true. That's all I am pointing out

Okay, I’ll bite and accept the consequences. Lie?

 

[BadFish]

Okay, I’ll bite and accept the consequences. Lie?

Your sentence isn't true. Not sure how else to put it.

 

[lasvegan]

Your sentence isn't true. Not sure how else to put it.

Explain, I’m nonplussed?

 

[BadFish]

Explain, I’m nonplussed?

The previous owner did not ban "all anti-establishment opinions' and they were not 'all actually true'.

 

[lasvegan]

The previous owner did not ban "all anti-establishment opinions' and they were not 'all actually true'.

You’ll need a further explanation than that.

 

[BadFish]

You’ll need a further explanation than that.

Maybe you could back up your claim with evidence if you are convinced of its validity?
I guess to disprove it I need to find an anti establishment opinion that want banned before Musk took over. And/or an anti establishment opinion that was true.

Do I really need to do that?

 

[lasvegan]

Well, then let us back track to Hunter’s lap top. True or false?