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Interesting Piece on Withdean Crowds in the Argus..



Jul 5, 2003
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http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/arg...3025.0.albion_battle_to_bring_back_crowds.php

Albion battle to bring back crowds
By Andy Naylor

Albion have slashed admission prices for the Johnstone's Paint Trophy tie against Boston at Withdean later this month.

Children can watch for free if accompanied by a grown-up and adult admission has been reduced to £10 in the south stand, £12 in the north stand, the only parts of the ground which will be open.

The way things are going the club may have to start introducing similar enticements on a regular basis for League matches.
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Just 5,499 die-hards turned out for the 2-1 defeat by Chesterfield, the lowest ever Saturday attendance at Withdean.

Albion had been beaten in their previous three games. On the other hand, it was Dean Wilkins' first match in permanent charge and the first at home for a fortnight since the 4-1 thumping of Leyton Orient.

So why such a worryingly low figure? The most obvious but by no means only explanation is results.

Albion have a bigger proportion of fair weather supporters than most clubs, together with their own version of the law of diminishing returns.

History tells us the higher up the divisions the club goes the more likely they are to struggle, which has a depressing effect on turnout.

The substantial numbers of fickle followers means they would attract as many supporters against Mansfield if they were top of League One as they would against Middlesbrough if they were toiling in the Premiership. It is not just results, though. People have become tired of the whole Withdean experience and bored of the scandalously long wait for Falmer.

Seven years down the line a stale stench accompanies every home match. The novelty factor has well and truly worn off.

Albion have done their level best to make the most of the unconventional facilities but let's face it, it is pretty poor value for money.

That is especially so for visiting fans now that they are parked in uncovered seats miles from the pitch behind the west goal.

Only about 100 hardy souls made the journey down from Chesterfield. The small away following of clubs in League One compared to the Championship is also playing a part in falling attendances at Withdean this season. Albion are bracing themselves for another low turnout against Blackpool on Sunday. Crowds have been down for the last two Sunday home games, 5,848 v Crewe and 5,859 v Stoke.

I cannot imagine many making the long journey from Lancashire, when they can sit in comfort at home watching the lunchtime kick-off live on Sky. How many home fans will be thinking along the same lines?

The Chesterfield gate was only a few hundred above the lowest in the League at Withdean, on a soaking Friday night just before Christmas against Rochdale in League Two seven years ago.

At least the spectators who braved the elements that evening were entertained, even if the Seagulls were on the wrong end of a 4-3 scoreline.

Crowds love a hero. Dean Cox is threatening to become that player and the potential of Joel Lynch is obvious but he is a defender.

What really gets supporters off their seats is a forward with dazzling skills to produce or score goals, a Peter Ward, Frank Worthington, Bobby Zamora, Leon Knight or Seb Carole.

Unless Albion reach the third round of the FA Cup and draw a Manchester United, Chelsea or Arsenal, the likelihood is Withdean will never be sold out to its increased capacity of 8,850.

It must frustrate chairman Dick Knight and his co-directors to see all the time, effort and money which went into putting extra seats in going to waste.

What must be frustrating them even more is the ammunition falling gates gives to the anti-Falmer lobby. They would argue if Withdean cannot be filled why do Albion need a 22,000-seater stadium?

That misses the point. A new ground with modern facilities would encourage back the fair weather thousands, providing the club with extra income to afford better players and offer a much better value- for-money match day experience.

This does not even touch upon all the economic and social benefits to the community at large. In fact, Albion's Withdean woes emphasise the need for Falmer more than ever before.





Good report by Naylor for once. And EXACTLY why we need some sort of investment in the squad.
 




BensGrandad

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Jul 13, 2003
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When they decide to reduce the price of tickets for league games who will be the first season ticket holder to ask for a refund of the money that they paid last April for this seasons ticket.

Please form a queue behind me.

I would, however, have no problem if they allowed a season ticket holder to change their seat to one in another area and bring a child with them free of charge. Or admit a child free if an adult ticket was bought at the full price for any area.
 


Yep, good piece by Naylor, not sure there is more that can be said or done. We have the cards we are dealt with and we just have to make the best of it for the next few years.
 


Lawro's Lip

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Withdean Wanderer said:
http://www.theargus.co.uk/sport/arg...3025.0.albion_battle_to_bring_back_crowds.php

What must be frustrating them even more is the ammunition falling gates gives to the anti-Falmer lobby. They would argue if Withdean cannot be filled why do Albion need a 22,000-seater stadium?

That misses the point. A new ground with modern facilities would encourage back the fair weather thousands, providing the club with extra income to afford better players and offer a much better value- for-money match day experience.

This does not even touch upon all the economic and social benefits to the community at large. In fact, Albion's Withdean woes emphasise the need for Falmer more than ever before.



Exactly. :clap2:


Apart from giving tickets away to the next generation of Albion supporters there is not any obvious solution to the current low attendances.
 


Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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Withdean Wanderer said:
Albion battle to bring back crowds
By Andy Naylor

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The substantial numbers of fickle followers means they would attract as many supporters against Mansfield if they were top of League One as they would against Middlesbrough if they were toiling in the Premiership. It is not just results, though. People have become tired of the whole Withdean experience and bored of the scandalously long wait for Falmer.



Good report by Naylor for once.

Sorry, but that 'Middlesborough' quote from the article is just so much bollocks. It may be Naylor's half-bright opinion, but it's bollocks nonetheless.

The club did their best to get the new seats installed when it mattered i.e. when the Championship was a new adventure for the Albion, but of course the NIMBYs and the usual park and ride shit caused a two YEAR delay in getting them in. By which time the board had shortsightedly allowed the playing side to run down with exactly the knock-on effects predicted on here for the past two seasons. So now the seats aren't really needed anymore.

I know there's not much money available due to the neverending story that is Falmer, but scrimping on the playing side was always going to be a false economy. Because in the end, that's all the 'fair weather fans' care about - a bit of entertainment for their twenty five notes. Which is not unreasonable IMHO.
 
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Albion Dan

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Jul 8, 2003
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That Middlesborough quote is utter shit. If we were in the Prem wed sell out 9000 seats easily.

The reason crowds are dwindling is becasue Withdean is a thoroughly unpleasent experience to watch rubbish lower league footy in.
 
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Da Man Clay

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Dec 16, 2004
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Withdean Wanderer said:



What really gets supporters off their seats is a forward with dazzling skills to produce or score goals, a Peter Ward, Frank Worthington, Bobby Zamora, Leon Knight or Seb Carole.

Good article for a change BUT how the hell can you put Seb Carole in with the likes of Zamora and Ward?
 






Kent Seagull

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Jul 5, 2003
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Albion Dan said:
That Middlesborough qoute is utter shit. If we were in the Prem wed sell out 9000 seats easily.

The reason crowds are dwindling is becasue Withdean is a thoroughly unpleasent experience to watch rubbish lower league footy in.

Experience says differently though. When we were in the old First division and not winni ng every game we struggled to get 20-25,000 in a ground that held around 36,000. We had bigger crowds in the old 2nd division when we were chasing promotion and winning games. Most fairweather fans only care about results, if we're winning games they will come, lose a few and they stay at home. If we manage to get a good run going and look like promotion even the Withdean will be full. Basicly Albion fans are just a bunch of glory hunters, as shown by the 30,000 that went to Cardiff.
 


Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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Albion Dan said:
That Middlesborough qoute is utter shit. If we were in the Prem wed sell out 9000 seats easily.

The reason crowds are dwindling is becasue Withdean is a thoroughly unpleasent experience to watch rubbish lower league footy in.
Correct.

But overall, yet ANOTHER good piece by Naylor. I think he's been a fair and competent Albion reporter for at least 5 years now.
 




British Bulldog

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Feb 6, 2006
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Kent Seagull said:
Experience says differently though. When we were in the old First division and not winni ng every game we struggled to get 20-25,000 in a ground that held around 36,000. We had bigger crowds in the old 2nd division when we were chasing promotion and winning games. Most fairweather fans only care about results, if we're winning games they will come, lose a few and they stay at home. If we manage to get a good run going and look like promotion even the Withdean will be full. Basicly Albion fans are just a bunch of glory hunters, as shown by the 30,000 that went to Cardiff.

Nice to see somebody using fact and not theory! :clap:

I remember the 1987/88 season when we'd just been relegated to the 3rd division and I was among the 6,068 who turned up for the first game of the season at home to york city. When 26,467 turned up for the Arsenal cup game and 19,800 for the promotion winning game against Bristol Rovers it just made you think, "Where were you at the start of the season?"
 




Simster

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Jul 7, 2003
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British Bulldog said:
Nice to see somebody using fact and not theory! :clap:

I remember the 1987/88 season when we'd just been relegated to the 3rd division and I was among the 6,068 who turned up for the first game of the season at home to york city. When 26,467 turned up for the Arsenal cup game and 19,800 for the promotion winning game against Bristol Rovers it just made you think, "Where were you at the start of the season?"
Me too. :clap2: We did average 9,000 that season though - third highest in the division (after Sunderland 17k & Bristol City 11k).

However, only 3 years later we were getting shit gates in 1991 for a potential promotion winning season to the Premiership. I think we barely averaged 10,000. How did that happen?
 




British Bulldog

The great escape
Feb 6, 2006
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Simster said:
Me too. :clap2: We did average 9,000 that season though - third highest in the division (after Sunderland 17k & Bristol City 11k).

However, only 3 years later we were getting shit gates in 1991 for a potential promotion winning season to the Premiership. I think we barely averaged 10,000. How did that happen?

Considering we took 30,000 to Wembley for the play off final I guess the missing 20,000 could probably answer that one.
 


Scoffers

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Jan 13, 2004
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I don't agree about Naylor writing a good article (and probably never will).

Of course we aren't filling Withdean, we're playing crap, the stadium is pants, playing dull opposition

The point is, BHAFC want to be able to grow as a club and attract decent players and staff, get back to the Championship, and jostle for a position in the Premiership. That simply cannot be achieved at Withdean.

I also dont agree that we'd need to attract Man U or similar to fill Withdean, a run of consistent performances, pushing us up to the top of the league, and those famous fair-weather supporters will soon start turning up again.
 


n1 gull

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Jul 25, 2003
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Football was in a transitional time back in the late 80's early 90's. There were loads of hoolies, then E's came in and clubbing. After staying up all night dancing, the thought of going down the Goldstone to be chased to Hove station didn't sound so appealing.
 


H block

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Jul 10, 2003
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Kent Seagull said:
Experience says differently though. When we were in the old First division and not winni ng every game we struggled to get 20-25,000 in a ground that held around 36,000. We had bigger crowds in the old 2nd division when we were chasing promotion and winning games. Most fairweather fans only care about results, if we're winning games they will come, lose a few and they stay at home. If we manage to get a good run going and look like promotion even the Withdean will be full. Basicly Albion fans are just a bunch of glory hunters, as shown by the 30,000 that went to Cardiff.

I think also another reason for the smaller crowds once we had hit the top flight was that the football was pretty poor. Yes we had big crowds for the 'big ones' but it was very defensive at times and there were not the international stars in all the sides that we get in the top flight now.
If we were premier league now we would fill a 23k stadium with ease.
Our rise through the leagues to get there would drag the support back dont forget.
 




Cheeky Monkey

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Jul 17, 2003
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H block said:
I think also another reason for the smaller crowds once we had hit the top flight was that the football was pretty poor.

Did I imagine it or did someone post on here a few weeks back that one of our top flight seasons was restricted to season ticket holders only hence the 20kish crowds for many games?
 


Titanic

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Jul 5, 2003
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Withdean Wanderer said:
Seven years down the line a stale stench accompanies every home match. The novelty factor has well and truly worn off.

Spot on - and it's not just the rancid smell of the burgers!

It is a thoroughly depressing place on match days - and without season tickets, I suspect many others would have voted with their feet by now too.

Keep the faith - only a few more months and the veil of gloom will lift, with the prospect of a bright future and a new HOME.
 
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