Integration? Yeah right.

[sydney]

None of which will be discussion it'll just be a 'who can type the loudest' competition.

Has anybodies opinions been modified or changed due to what's becoming 'The Daily Racism' thread?

but it's not racism is it...it is just the highlighting of the undermining of our society by an OUTSIDE entity......how many exclusive christian schools are there in qatar and yemen where dressing up as jordan and metrosexual fashion are on the syllabus..?.....i'll tell you .....none..! get yer head out of yer qouight..!

 

[Questions]

There should be no religious studies in any schools, just an utter waste of time.

What ! That's outrageous. When I did R.E. at school we studied Apocalyptic literature. I can't imagine what my life would be like today without it.
All I need now is someone to tell me that the 3 weeks we spent on osmosis in biology was a waste of time and I'm going rear right up.
Going through life knowing nothing about semi- permeable membranes.... I shudder to think.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Are you really that dumb, not to differentiate between these exclusively Islamic school's and their teachings compared to say your local Catholic or CofEschool, really

You've kind of proven my point by completely misinterpreting my post. What I'm saying is that any school that teaches religious scripture as FACT will never give children a well-rounded education. It doesn't matter if it's an Islamic, Jewish or Catholic school, the techniques may be different but the end result is the same. To insinuate that the exclusion of arts and, in particular, science from the curriculum is exclusive to Islamic Schools is incredibly naive and frankly proves my point. The main thing I was trying to emphasise in my post was that, in my opinion, it's the children that are the ones that get a raw deal here not you or I.

 

[Hastings gull]

I just think that state funded religious schooling causes more problems than it solves. I'm not comfortable with my taxes being used to indoctrinate kids with religious beliefs, regardless of what they are. There should be a transparent standard school curriculum, with a degree of scope to allow for specialised schooling. I'd happily see a standard RE curriculum encompassing knowledge of all faiths, but with no discussion on which to follow or any indoctrination.

That said, the guy who sits next to me sends his kids to a religious school and was telling me that there has been research suggesting that people who were taught in religious schooling have proven to be less likely to offend. I'm not even sure this is true, but even if it was, I'd suggest the parenting of these kids was more relevant anyway.

Even though we both have family going to Cof E schools, I can go along with this. To be fair, we chose the school as my wife was convinced of the teaching -the fact that it is Cof E is actually incidental. And to be fair to the schools, there is a transparent curriculum - it is not hidden at all, or have I misunderstood you? I have not heard of the research to which you allude either -it could of course be true, though fully agree, it is far more likely to be due to parental influence.

 

[Hastings gull]

I hear from politicians that immigrants pay billions in taxes and contribute to the national economy, the difficulty they have is that this issue is not seen as economic by the people. Its about the rapid change to peoples lives and outlook and what they see, hear and feel about this change in which they have had no voice or consultation. The politicians will not change this perception with the constant arguing over figures, this poor behaviour by the three main parties means that UKIP currently don't have to hit the headlines because the other parties are doing all their advertising for them. Maybe a vote for UKIP is more about our political system than the policies they stand for?

You are quite right that with a huge influx of immigrants, the exchequer will rake in billions IF -and it is a big IF, they are in work. But of course all the "studies" showing how beneficial immigration has been, ignore other factors such as pressure on schools and the NHS. I am sure that you have a point with your assertion that change has been far too rapid, and when you see your area transformed by an influx of immigrants, often unwilling to integrate, you feel that your world has turned upside down. UkIP benefits, as you say, when you further feel that you have not even been asked about this change. The statistics yesterday, saying that EU and non EU net immigration last year (and presumably again this year) has jointly topped about 500.000 will only make this feeling worse. Of course, we should all live together in harmony, but sadly, this does not always happen, and with the pressures of such large numbers, I do fear for the future.

 

[Hastings gull]

You've kind of proven my point by completely misinterpreting my post. What I'm saying is that any school that teaches religious scripture as FACT will never give children a well-rounded education. It doesn't matter if it's an Islamic, Jewish or Catholic school, the techniques may be different but the end result is the same. To insinuate that the exclusion of arts and, in particular, science from the curriculum is exclusive to Islamic Schools is incredibly naive and frankly proves my point. The main thing I was trying to emphasise in my post was that, in my opinion, it's the children that are the ones that get a raw deal here not you or I.

I can fully see what you are saying - in any school that has a religious "bent" there is likely to be an attempt to influence young minds, and it can clearly be argued that it is best avoided. I was not sure of your highlighted point -are you saying that things like science and the arts are also ignored in Cof E schools, because I feel sure that that is not true. To be fair to the OP to whom you were responding, (s)he was making the point that the methods used in "hard-line" Islamic schools, the type of which have hit the news, are likely to be much more strident, resulting in minds which could be far less open than the products of Cof E schools, where a greater measure of tolerance will feature.

 

[Steve.S]

I think a lot of people are writing on here without the first clue what goes on in faith schools, comments regarding tax payers money being given to these schools and it being a waste. Faith schools teach to the national curriculum and are inspected by ofsted. RE is a small part of that and it also includes other religions. I work in a catholic school and we look at other religions and how they differ. The ethos of the school allows for children to reflect and think about how we treat people. I think it rubbish to suggest that faith schools indoctrinate children, children have free will and all the years I have worked at a catholic school, not many of them attended church regularly or bothered with the church after they left school, that's until they want their own children get into the school. We live in a diverse society and that should be reflected with various faith schools. Two of the biggest events of the year for children are Christmas and Easter which are both religious events, should we ban them if we want to ban faith schools. They both have a message about Jesus.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I can fully see what you are saying - in any school that has a religious "bent" there is likely to be an attempt to influence young minds, and it can clearly be argued that it is best avoided. I was not sure of your highlighted point -are you saying that things like science and the arts are also ignored in Cof E schools, because I feel sure that that is not true. To be fair to the OP to whom you were responding, (s)he was making the point that the methods used in "hard-line" Islamic schools, the type of which have hit the news, are likely to be much more strident, resulting in minds which could be far less open than the products of Cof E schools, where a greater measure of tolerance will feature.

I was speaking of the many documented cases of Catholic schools refusing to teach Evolution as it goes against the religious belief of creationism. I have no doubt that schools that are multi faith are far more tolerant but single faith schools under any guise have been equally guilty of denying students access to certain topics, theories or subjects. I'm not saying they are all guilty of this, only the more "hard-line" schools.

 

[Hastings gull]

I think a lot of people are writing on here without the first clue what goes on in faith schools, comments regarding tax payers money being given to these schools and it being a waste. Faith schools teach to the national curriculum and are inspected by ofsted. RE is a small part of that and it also includes other religions. I work in a catholic school and we look at other religions and how they differ. The ethos of the school allows for children to reflect and think about how we treat people. I think it rubbish to suggest that faith schools indoctrinate children, children have free will and all the years I have worked at a catholic school, not many of them attended church regularly or bothered with the church after they left school, that's until they want their own children get into the school. We live in a diverse society and that should be reflected with various faith schools. Two of the biggest events of the year for children are Christmas and Easter which are both religious events, should we ban them if we want to ban faith schools. They both have a message about Jesus.

I do largely agree with you and hope that I am not one of your baddies! With the problems in Northern Ireland still fresh in your memory, you can, however, see why people are uneasy. My wife works in a C of E school, and I know what you are saying is true. I am in the school regularly and can clearly see that the word "indoctrination" is an exaggeration. Perhaps it is a question of degree. I am sure that in Cof E schools Ofsted would jump on any scent of "indoctrination" which is what they are concerned about in, shall we say, other faith schools. I was at a governor's meeting last night (not at a faith school) and schools and governing bodies must now demonstrate that they have a viable recruitment policy for governors in an attempt to avoid extremists getting hold of the curriculum. Whilst the vast majority of faith schools are doubtless the epitome of moderation, there is that danger, which gives rise to suspicion.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

I was speaking of the many documented cases of Catholic schools refusing to teach Evolution as it goes against the religious belief of creationism.

Not in this country surely.

 

[looney]

I think religious instruction should be banned from schools and religous schools abolished. Schools should be about teaching of the broader world and not re-inforcing a narrow focus they get at home.

 

[Steve.S]

I think religious instruction should be banned from schools and religous schools abolished. Schools should be about teaching of the broader world and not re-inforcing a narrow focus they get at home.

When you say teaching about the broader world, what do you mean? Most conflicts around the world are to do with religion in some way and if that's not the case it's politics. Who then decides what or what not our children are taught. Then let's ban Christmas and Easter as they have a religious message. Why not let parents decide what is best for their children instead of telling them what schools their children should go too.

 

[Creaky]

I was speaking of the many documented cases of Catholic schools refusing to teach Evolution as it goes against the religious belief of creationism. I have no doubt that schools that are multi faith are far more tolerant but single faith schools under any guise have been equally guilty of denying students access to certain topics, theories or subjects. I'm not saying they are all guilty of this, only the more "hard-line" schools.

Creationism is not one of the tenets of the Catholic faith - I think you are confused on that one.

I was educated as a Catholic in church schools that went one better than the schools which are the subject of this thread - they didn't segregate the children at playtime/mealtime etc. - we were segregated by school, boys in one school, girls in another!

I know things have changed, thank goodness but certainly until about the fourth form, (age 14), no other religion was discussed other than to say that people who believed in religions other than Catholicism were 'non-Catholics'.

 

[Tommy Tradlles]

Not in this country surely.

Quite! Catholic Schools teach the natural sciences according to the national curriculum like every other school. Religious education would look at the meaning of creation. Faith and reason can go together though rarely on this forum!

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

M

Creationism is not one of the tenets of the Catholic faith - I think you are confused on that one.

I was educated as a Catholic in church schools that went one better than the schools which are the subject of this thread - they didn't segregate the children at playtime/mealtime etc. - we were segregated by school, boys in one school, girls in another!

I know things have changed, thank goodness but certainly until about the fourth form, (age 14), no other religion was discussed other than to say that people who believed in religions other than Catholicism were 'non-Catholics'.

My mistake and I retract my statement if that is the case. However, there are Christian faith schools where that has indeed happened.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Everyone's looking after their own interests , identity crisis
regards
DR