[Politics] Immigration detention centres

[carlzeiss]

Torries , out labour in

 

[knocky1]

Torries , out labour in

That's Brexiters for you. 3 errors using 4 words. The disunited Kingdom is almost yours.

 

[knocky1]

well they obviously feel UK is the best country for them, offering the best opportunity to rebuild their life.
it's a completely different issue to how or why they arrived, they are here now how to manage them. even if you want to deport everyone you still need to house them until that process is done. we should do better than this. it doesnt need to fancy, but safe and disease free is kinda expected. otherwise leave them to run free through the country?

reading the tweet thread, not helpful calling them detention centres or internment camps. same energy as calling their arrival an invasion.

Good values.

 

[TugWilson]

About ten years ago there was a massive refugee crisis. There was some kind of agreement in the EU that we would all help out to help these poor people in a brotherly and fair fashion that didn't have too much impact on any specific country but as it went from talk to action quite a number of governments backed off saying "yeah umm no we're keeping our excessive wealth to ourselves thank you very much and good luck have fun".
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The consequence today is that a fair number of the countries who had to put massive effort (civilian and from authorities), money and work into resolving the situation today hates immigrants which is of course something asylum seekers hear about, so they go to countries that didn't really bother to lift a finger back then, because the chances of getting your asylum granted is today likely going to be easier in those countries than in the fatigued ones.

Crossing your plucky channel may be dangerous but usually not as dangerous as getting a "nope you'll have to f*** off back to your impending hanging in Afghanistan", so of course people are going to try getting to the places where they think they have the best chances.

The "dozen of other countries" you mentioned still do a lot of heavy lifting and even more so in the past. A lot of them did heavy lifting for decades while others had egomaniac governments unwilling to help out, and the consequences will to a certain degree be that others will be required to put in a shift in helping refugees and asylum seekers.

Which is too bad really. If every European country with reasonable resources would have lended a hand during the Yugoslavian wars in the 90s, Middle-East wars in the early 00s, Syria in the 10s, then immigration would be a problem for no one and even a resource for everyone, considering our aging populations.

Funny how you far-righters appear to believe that every refugee and their mother is and always has been coming to the UK. That is definitely not the case. There's some countries where people are in dire need for help, in some cases people need to flee from these countries and in those cases they are going to go where they think they have the best chance of not getting sent back. For a lot of years, the UK wasn't one of those countries. Now it may be and you know what... suck it up. Much like most of the Western world, the UK is one of the reasons people have to flee in the first place, it is yours - and ours - responsibility to take care of these people since we've all miserably failed in electing good, globally helpful governments and also miserably failed in ousting those making life difficult in various parts of the world.

One question , how many genuine immigrants does Sweden currently have ? .

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Accoding to BBC we received 1,000 migrants yesterday, that's another 1,000 breakfasts lunches dinners clothing, beds etc etc a day. How are we managing to keep up, this is from a logistics point of view, it is staggering. More tomorrow etc etc £7mill. a day and increasing we are apparently now running out of hotels, well I presume the appropriate type.

 

[Swansman]

One question , how many genuine immigrants does Sweden currently have ? .

If you could tell me what you mean by "genuine", I could probably give you a decent answer.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Accoding to BBC we received 1,000 migrants yesterday, that's another 1,000 breakfasts lunches dinners clothing, beds etc etc a day. How are we managing to keep up, this is from a logistics point of view, it is staggering. More tomorrow etc etc £7mill. a day and increasing we are apparently now running out of hotels, well I presume the appropriate type.

Can't be true because we've got Brexit done and taken back control of our borders.

Strong and stable

 

[St Leonards Seagull]

Unfortunately immigration is an issue that brings out the best in people and is a sure fire way to win a few votes.
I find once people have made up their mind about the nasty refugees coming over here and taking all of the jobs and benefits it’s very hard to dissuade them otherwise. Regardless of the influence of our nation in the circumstances of them needing to leave their country (Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan etc).
If we didn’t try to use immigration for political gain and actually implemented a system to process applications efficiently and justly and also talked to our neighbouring countries, implemented a common plan/policy instead of finger pointing and slagging them off. I feel that this would be less of any issue and there would be less suffering on a humanitarian front.
But whilst there’s votes to be gained, I fear the status quo will remain.

 

[GT49er]

No one asked them to come here. They are here illegally. If they came via France why not apply for asylum there? We are treating them far too well.

No, we're not treatig them too well - but the fact that they are where they are is also their responsibility. They were warned not to come. They were told it was illegal (as well as a threat to life and limb to cross the channel when they were perfectly entitled to claim asylum where they were), but they chose to bank-roll European criminal gangs. Desperate? - yes - but still a fact - plus the fact that wanting to move to a safe, socially liberal, non-murdering western democracy is perfectly understandable. There are plenty to choose from, and many of the inhabitants of Manston will have passed thrugh and rejected several of them.

On our part, we should be processing their applications much more quickly - even if that means the government putting far more resources (cash) into the immigration service rather than forever trying to make cuts. Yes, for heaven's sake, and do it quickly. Even 1940s POW camps were better than Manston is at the moment. In the meantime, maybe let images of Manston (plus the threat, even if not going to happen, of a future in Rwanda) be used to try to put people off risking their lives - and their children's - to finance criminal gangs.

Yes, there is blame, or faults at least - on both sides. Sadly most people will only recognise one side or the other, and binary opinions - with vitriol sprinkles - will put any debate into the Bear Pit .............. which is probably the best place for it, but it won't solve anything.

 

[TugWilson]

If you could tell me what you mean by "genuine", I could probably give you a decent answer.

Look it up , not a trick question .

 

[GT49er]

Can't be true because we've got Brexit done and taken back control of our borders.

Strong and stable

Irrelevant. It was a balls up before Brexit and it's been a balls up since, The government made cuts after cuts after cuts after cuts until there was no control. Put it down to the Government's mantra of cut everything, because that's the problem - and if the remainers haven't noticed, Brexit hasn't changed the party in power.
Project Fear did in fact frighten away many people whose presence here was useful and appreciated, and who fled this country unnecessarily - it has a lot to answer for. Not that its proponants will ever acknowledge that.

 

[macbeth]

well they obviously feel UK is the best country for them, offering the best opportunity to rebuild their life.
it's a completely different issue to how or why they arrived, they are here now how to manage them. even if you want to deport everyone you still need to house them until that process is done. we should do better than this. it doesnt need to fancy, but safe and disease free is kinda expected. otherwise leave them to run free through the country?

reading the tweet thread, not helpful calling them detention centres or internment camps. same energy as calling their arrival an invasion.

sorry got to disagree on that last point. they're held there indefinitely while their application is crushed under the wheels of bureaucracy. they aren't allowed to integrate into the local community, and they're kept behind fences. they're detainees and they're in a detention centre

 

[Thunder Bolt]

No, we're not treatig them too well - but the fact that they are where they are is also their responsibility. They were warned not to come. They were told it was illegal (as well as a threat to life and limb to cross the channel when they were perfectly entitled to claim asylum where they were), but they chose to bank-roll European criminal gangs. Desperate? - yes - but still a fact - plus the fact that wanting to move to a safe, socially liberal, non-murdering western democracy is perfectly understandable. There are plenty to choose from, and many of the inhabitants of Manston will have passed thrugh and rejected several of them.

On our part, we should be processing their applications much more quickly - even if that means the government putting far more resources (cash) into the immigration service rather than forever trying to make cuts. Yes, for heaven's sake, and do it quickly. Even 1940s POW camps were better than Manston is at the moment. In the meantime, maybe let images of Manston (plus the threat, even if not going to happen, of a future in Rwanda) be used to try to put people off risking their lives - and their children's - to finance criminal gangs.

Yes, there is blame, or faults at least - on both sides. Sadly most people will only recognise one side or the other, and binary opinions - with vitriol sprinkles - will put any debate into the Bear Pit .............. which is probably the best place for it, but it won't solve anything.

It is not illegal.

President Macron offered to have an asylum processing centre in France but Theresa May refused.
There are no other ways to claim asylum, except to arrive on British soil, even for Ukrainians. All avenues have been closed.
The Home Office are painfully slow in processing claims, whereas these people could be in work and contributing to the state in taxes.
It is a tinderbox with politicians stoking up hate resulting in the maniac throwing petrol bombs and then committing suicide.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Irrelevant. It was a balls up before Brexit and it's been a balls up since, The government made cuts after cuts after cuts after cuts until there was no control. Put it down to the Government's mantra of cut everything, because that's the problem - and if the remainers haven't noticed, Brexit hasn't changed the party in power.
Project Fear did in fact frighten away many people whose presence here was useful and appreciated, and who fled this country unnecessarily - it has a lot to answer for. Not that its proponants will ever acknowledge that.

Sorry, that's a load of old bollocks.

"Take back control of our borders" was a Vote Leave mantra. Did they really just mean "rob all the pubs and hotels of their Polish and Latvian staff who are actually prepared to do the job"?

Remember Farage's poster in front of the immigration queue? Turkey joining next?

 

[Swansman]

Accoding to BBC we received 1,000 migrants yesterday, that's another 1,000 breakfasts lunches dinners clothing, beds etc etc a day. How are we managing to keep up, this is from a logistics point of view, it is staggering. More tomorrow etc etc £7mill. a day and increasing we are apparently now running out of hotels, well I presume the appropriate type.

The UK govt is the second biggest arms dealer in the world and has directly or indirectly made millions of people homeless or forced to flee from their countries. Take the profits and spend it on the victims of the profits, and you could spend £7m a day without running out of those sweet arms sales-cash for a very long time.

 

[GT49er]

Sorry, that's a load of old bollocks.

"Take back control of our borders" was a Vote Leave mantra. Did they really just mean "rob all the pubs and hotels of their Polish and Latvian staff who are actually prepared to do the job"?

Remember Farage's poster in front of the immigration queue? Turkey joining next?

No it didn't mean that - but that's what Project Fear told them it meant.

Enough posts against the NSC party line to put this thread into the Bear Pit yet?

 

[Swansman]

Look it up , not a trick question .

I'm really not finding any defintion of "genuine immigrant" and what separates it from a "non-genuine immigrant". Do you have a link or something?

 

[GT49er]

The UK govt is the second biggest arms dealer in the world and has directly or indirectly made millions of people homeless or forced to flee from their countries. Take the profits and spend it on the victims of the profits, and you could spend £7m a day without running out of those sweet arms sales-cash.

Good whataboutery!

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Sorry, that's a load of old bollocks.

"Take back control of our borders" was a Vote Leave mantra. Did they really just mean "rob all the pubs and hotels of their Polish and Latvian staff who are actually prepared to do the job"?

Remember Farage's poster in front of the immigration queue? Turkey joining next?

We already had control of our borders using Article 7 where European workers had to have a job within 3 months, and health insurance, but our government never implemented it. The provision was there, but it suited them to blame ‘foreigners’ for problems.

 

[GT49er]

I'm really not finding any defintion of "genuine immigrant" and what separates it from a "non-genuine immigrant". Do you have a link or something?

The question isn't genuine immigrant, never was.