[Albion] Imari Samuels [sold to Dundee - 13/1/25]

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[Bozza]

SAMUELS JOINS FLEETWOOD

Defender Imari Samuels is joining League One Fleetwood Town on loan for the rest of the season.

Under-21s head coach Shannon Ruth said, “This is a great first senior loan for Imari. He has produced some consistent performances for the under-21s this season and gained valuable experience training with the first-team squad as well.

“We’re looking forward to seeing how he progresses in a senior environment at Fleetwood and we wish him all the best for the remainder of the season.”

Samuels, who celebrates his 21st birthday next Tuesday, joined Albion from Reading in 2022 and played 19 Premier League 2 games last season.

He was named in the first-team squad for the first time last May for the Premier League game against Newcastle.

Samuels has been a regular for the under-21s this season, making eight Premier League 2 appearances, and played four times in the club’s run to the quarter-finals of the Bristol Street Motors Trophy.

 

[dazzer6666]

WW commentator kept picking him out last night………was impressed

 

[The Fits]

Really impressed with him. Great move.

 

[macbeth]

sold

 

[Greg Bobkin]

sold

Something something trust the process

 

[dazzer6666]

Something something trust the process

Has hardly got a look-in since arriving from Reading. Good luck to him.

 

[Greg Bobkin]

Has hardly got a look-in since arriving from Reading. Good luck to him.

Exaxtly – I was being serious. Get them in the shop window and sell to the highest bidder if they aren't going to make it here and there's an ROI to be made.

 

[dazzer6666]

Exaxtly – I was being serious. Get them in the shop window and sell to the highest bidder if they aren't going to make it here and there's an ROI to be made.

Definitely! Academy ethos is all about producing professional footballers……….not necessarily for us (they know the very vast majority won’t make it in the PL). Any player going to to a FT pro contract is seen as a success (and there’s a significant payback to the club for those that do depending on the level they reach/appearances etc)

 

[The Optimist]

I’d be intrigued to know what the player thinks. Does he consider his time with us a success - he developed during his time with us and we helped him get a a good move? - or was he left disappointed by the lack of opportunities?

 

[Gabbiano]

I’d be intrigued to know what the player thinks. Does he consider his time with us a success - he developed during his time with us and we helped him get a a good move? - or was he left disappointed by the lack of opportunities?

There are always a few who it seems like get stuck in this limbo between U21s and the first team. And if they don't secure a loan (or shine during their loan) then the writing is on the wall. Samuels, Turns, Peupion are in this boat this season.

But I remember Samuels impressing at U21 level, and I hope he takes his chance north of the border. At least the club seem to be good at helping the youngsters move onto another club if they aren't going to make it here.

 

[GT49er]

I’d be intrigued to know what the player thinks. Does he consider his time with us a success - he developed during his time with us and we helped him get a a good move? - or was he left disappointed by the lack of opportunities?

More the latter I would think - limited appearances in the U21s, even more limited on loan at Fleetwood last season. Don't think he was with us for long enough at the right age to get a development fee, and I doubt there was much of a transfer fee incoming.

There are always a few who it seems like get stuck in this limbo between U21s and the first team. And if they don't secure a loan (or shine during their loan) then the writing is on the wall. Samuels, Turns, Peupion are in this boat this season.

Yes, I believe Turns and Peupion are in the same position, contracts running out in the summer. Probably cashing in (not very much) for them too.

 

[Albion Robster]

Thanks for the memories of Bournemouth away last season Imari.
I think we can blame RDZ for that performance, chucking in a load of youngsters for that away game.

 

[AZ Gull]

Thanks for the memories of Bournemouth away last season Imari.
I think we can blame RDZ for that performance, chucking in a load of youngsters for that away game.

 

[AZ Gull]

sold

"sold"?

You seem more confident than me that we got a fee for him.

 

[pigmanovich]

"sold"?

You seem more confident than me that we got a fee for him.

FWIW Dundee states that a fee was paid. https://dundeefc.co.uk/news/samuels-dee/

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

More the latter I would think - limited appearances in the U21s, even more limited on loan at Fleetwood last season. Don't think he was with us for long enough at the right age to get a development fee, and I doubt there was much of a transfer fee incoming.

There are two different payments.

Training and development payments are made to any club a player has been at (from the age of 12) when he signs his first professional contract, or if a player transfers between clubs in different national associations before their 23rd birthday.

As Dundee are under the Scottish FA we should be entitled to this payment and get a fairly decent amount for this (in general terms rather than compared to the wealth of the PL) as we are at cat 1 academy and they attract the highest fees. FIFA seem to suggest it’s 90,000 Euros a season but the 6 months Samuels spent at Fleetwood may mean we don’t get the full 2.5 years worth of payments (Fleetwood could see half a season payment for a cat 2 academy which will be about €30,000). It will also be a nice chunk of money for Reading as they are also a cat 1 academy and he was there for 7 years or so I think.

In the case of this payment being made when a player moves across national associations this payment could well be higher than the actual transfer fee itself in some cases, depending on how long the player has been in an academy for.

The other kind of payment is solidarity payments. These are paid to any club the player was with between the ages of 12 and 23. These are paid every time a player moves on for a fee at any point of their career.

For the solidarity payment we will be entitled to approx 20% of the overall total, but Reading will get the majority of that payment, with Fleetwood also being entitled to 5% because their loan counts towards his development.

However considering the development fee is also about 5% of the overall transfer fee it isn’t likely to be that much at all on top of the overall transfer fee (our actual solidarity payment being approx 1% of the overall transfer fee value).

 

[GT49er]

There are two different payments.

Training and development payments are made to any club a player has been at (from the age of 12) when he signs his first professional contract, or if a player transfers between clubs in different national associations before their 23rd birthday.

As Dundee are under the Scottish FA we should be entitled to this payment and get a fairly decent amount for this (in general terms rather than compared to the wealth of the PL) as we are at cat 1 academy and they attract the highest fees. FIFA seem to suggest it’s 90,000 Euros a season but the 6 months Samuels spent at Fleetwood may mean we don’t get the full 2.5 years worth of payments (Fleetwood could see half a season payment for a cat 2 academy which will be about €30,000). It will also be a nice chunk of money for Reading as they are also a cat 1 academy and he was there for 7 years or so I think.

In the case of this payment being made when a player moves across national associations this payment could well be higher than the actual transfer fee itself in some cases, depending on how long the player has been in an academy for.

The other kind of payment is solidarity payments. These are paid to any club the player was with between the ages of 12 and 23. These are paid every time a player moves on for a fee at any point of their career.

For the solidarity payment we will be entitled to approx 20% of the overall total, but Reading will get the majority of that payment, with Fleetwood also being entitled to 5% because their loan counts towards his development.

However considering the development fee is also about 5% of the overall transfer fee it isn’t likely to be that much at all on top of the overall transfer fee (our actual solidarity payment being approx 1% of the overall transfer fee value).

90K per season? Even if it's Euros not GBPs, two seasons of that plus 30K for Fleetwood, plus whatever they owe Reading - they haven't paid anything like that sort of money for more than 25 years! 189K to us and 30K to Fleetwood - 210K makes him their second most expensive player of all time, and where would they get that sort of money these days?

 

[Gabbiano]

90K per season? Even if it's Euros not GBPs, two seasons of that plus 30K for Fleetwood, plus whatever they owe Reading - they haven't paid anything like that sort of money for more than 25 years! 189K to us and 30K to Fleetwood - 210K makes him their second most expensive player of all time, and where would they get that sort of money these days?

I imagine we're entitled to ask for that amount, but willing to forgo it to allow the player to move on. Unless there's a situation that really calls for it, e.g. when Chelsea snatched Mhueka and Sturge.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

90K per season? Even if it's Euros not GBPs, two seasons of that plus 30K for Fleetwood, plus whatever they owe Reading - they haven't paid anything like that sort of money for more than 25 years! 189K to us and 30K to Fleetwood - 210K makes him their second most expensive player of all time, and where would they get that sort of money these days?

I've done a bit more reading on the subject.

Dundee may not have to pay it if they are considered a category 4 club by the Scottish FA. This isn't just based on the category their academy falls under, but FIFA instructed national FAs to split their clubs up into a 4 tier level based on each clubs investment at youth level. Clubs considered cat 4 by their own national FA don't have to pay the training and development compensation fees.

If they have to pay it, I have no idea how they'd afford it, but they'd know it's an added cost of signing a player from a club under another national FA (this isn't part of the overall transfer fee but a separate payment). I may be slightly wrong about how much Reading get as between the ages of 12 and 15 it appears as though between the ages of 12 and 15 the payment is calculated at the lowest category no matter what ranked academy the player is at (however this isn't mentioned in every article i've read about it, but is on one of the top sporting solicitors write up).

I imagine we're entitled to ask for that amount, but willing to forgo it to allow the player to move on. Unless there's a situation that really calls for it, e.g. when Chelsea snatched Mhueka and Sturge.

We may have the right to waive our compensation payment, but for clubs like Reading and Fleetwood it could be an important payment so they'd still want it.

In the case of the players Chelsea signed from us we'd only be entitled to a training and development payment when they signed their first professional deal (I don't think either were old enough to be pros when they left).

The money Dundee may have to pay us, although under the same FIFA ruling and calculated the same way, is only being paid because the player has moved between national FA's before his 23rd birthday. The payments for Samuels first pro contract would be zero as he signed it with Reading and at that point had spent his entire career there.