If anyone thinks that Murray ...

[Mellotron]

Fine. But he wanted to stay on his terms, which were not suitable to the club. And that's what I'm saying was the error, not offering him what he was worth It is not as if Gus did not offer him a new contract - I read on here (but it may be wrong as a lot is on here!) that he was offered several new contracts, but they were not to his liking. So he went elsewhere. I don't have an issue with that. But it was clear that his loyalty to the club only stretched so far and that the lure of bigger bucks elsewhere overrode any desire to stay. Unlike CMS, who turned down bigger bucks, allegedly, to come to us.

Yes, Murray may have been useful to us this year, but I would rather we had players at the club who want to play for us, as opposed to having players who are only playing for us if the price is right to them. Every player has a price! Players who show footballing ambition rather than purely financial ambition, if you see what I mean.

Thoughts ^^

 

[Mellotron]

If he was still an Albion player, I'm confident we'd be top 4 right now.

 

[c0lz]

funny we lost better players yet they don't get a mention,

 

[Triggaaar]

If anyone thinks that Murray ..
wouldn't fit hand in glove in our team right now is stupid.

Only mistake made by Gus to date.

It's not that he's not good enough to play, and it's not that we couldn't do with a player like him, but it is about his attitude. Gus decided that the damage caused to the team by his mood swings were not worth the skills he offered on the pitch, and no one here knows any better, so I don't know what you're on about. You seem to be suggesting that after managing him for 18 months, and watching him help us win the league, Gus didn't realise Murray could play football.

We all know Murray is good enough to play for us alongside CMS, but Gus didn't want him and I back Gus.

 

[RowleyBirkinQ.C(deceased)]

Please! Enough with the fecking Murray threads already. He's left us and playing for another team, GET OVER IT.

 

[Silverhatch]

It's not that he's not good enough to play, and it's not that we couldn't do with a player like him, but it is about his attitude. Gus decided that the damage caused to the team by his mood swings were not worth the skills he offered on the pitch, and no one here knows any better, so I don't know what you're on about. You seem to be suggesting that after managing him for 18 months, and watching him help us win the league, Gus didn't realise Murray could play football.

We all know Murray is good enough to play for us alongside CMS, but Gus didn't want him and I back Gus.

It's semantics, but one last time... The club did want him - but they did not want him enough. They played hard ball with him and lost. And all this bollocks about mood swings; most pros are big bloody kids anyway and it's the club's job to manage those mood swings. I'm over Murray but it's valid chat to muse what would have happened if he'd stayed, especially when the other hold up merchants are now being vilified as not good enough (Paynter). We had a big, mobile and skilful (but sulky) centre forward who could hold the ball up, link play and score goals. We didn't think he was worth the offer that Palace had made to him. He proved against Manchester United (reserves) last night what most right minded Albion fans know... He is a great target man and it's Palace's gain and our loss however anyone tries to dress it up.

 

[Triggaaar]

It's semantics, but one last time... The club did want him - but they did not want him enough. They played hard ball with him and lost.

I understand that the club did want him for a price, but the reason that price was low was because of the whole package - if it was just about his ability Gus would have wanted him more. They didn't lose hard ball, they just didn't want him that much. I don't expect Gus was surprised that someone else would pay more for our top scorer, that just helped us win the title, given that he was on a free.

And all this bollocks about mood swings; most pros are big bloody kids anyway and it's the club's job to manage those mood swings.

Looking after players is a big part of management, but some players are just too destructive. No one argues that Craig Bellamy isn't good enough, but Newcastle seem to be doing better without him, he's a nightmare. France managed to win the euro and world cup without Cantona, who was a football genius (they didn't want Ginola either), because it's about the team, not just one player.

I'm over Murray but it's valid chat to muse what would have happened if he'd stayed, especially when the other hold up merchants are now being vilified as not good enough (Paynter).

It's valid chat, but that's all it is, chat. Some people are assuming it would all be good with him here, there'd be no downside, but that's all guessing, his overall contribution to the team may have been negative, we just don't know. We do know that Gus knows him a lot better than us though, and Gus didn't try hard to keep him.

He proved against Manchester United (reserves) last night what most right minded Albion fans know... He is a great target man and it's Palace's gain and our loss however anyone tries to dress it up.

No, he proved what we all know, that he is a capable target man, on his day, when it suits him. Don't forget Palace hadn't scored for 500 minutes, so he's hardly setting the division alight is he.

 

[Storer 68]

Letting Murray go was the worst and most stupid decision this club has made (regarding players) in my almost 60 years of supporting the Albion.

At the very least, if Gus did not want him (and if that's true Gus has a screw loose), then we should have sold him for a decent fee before his contract expired. He surely would have been worth £1.5 million.

Utter madness.

And, no, I won't "get over it".

worse even than failing to spot a future Enland international at out school of excellence

How many games has gareth Barry played in the premier league and kow many international caps has he?

Failing to spot him was (IMHO) a slightly bigger error than failing to accept murray's demand for a wage increase

 

[FKalinx]

I understand that the club did want him for a price, but the reason that price was low was because of the whole package - if it was just about his ability Gus would have wanted him more. They didn't lose hard ball, they just didn't want him that much. I don't expect Gus was surprised that someone else would pay more for our top scorer, that just helped us win the title, given that he was on a free.

Looking after players is a big part of management, but some players are just too destructive. No one argues that Craig Bellamy isn't good enough, but Newcastle seem to be doing better without him, he's a nightmare. France managed to win the euro and world cup without Cantona, who was a football genius (they didn't want Ginola either), because it's about the team, not just one player.
It's valid chat, but that's all it is, chat. Some people are assuming it would all be good with him here, there'd be no downside, but that's all guessing, his overall contribution to the team may have been negative, we just don't know. We do know that Gus knows him a lot better than us though, and Gus didn't try hard to keep him.
No, he proved what we all know, that he is a capable target man, on his day, when it suits him. Don't forget Palace hadn't scored for 500 minutes, so he's hardly setting the division alight is he.

Exactly.

 

[Storer 68]

Or - We were not willing to offer the length of contract that he was after.

He Went

hIS DECISION

 

[Philzo-93]

He wouldn't perform at all! He's too much in his own world to even consider playing well for a team like palace and brighton. He performs on his own terms-everyone knows that.

Can he perform? Yes. Is he consistent? Not in the slightest.

 

[Braders]

Yes, yes, yes - great footballer that we let slip thru our hands. Only mistake made by Gus to date.

Signing Michael Poke?

 

[the wanderbus]

wouldn't fit hand in glove in our team right now is stupid. He's been one of the best players on the pitch and well worth the weekly demands he was asking for. Him and cms would annihiliate the championship. Just what we need.

read this slowly.... Murray plays for palace, forget about him, he's yesterdays man..

 

[AMEXican Wave]

wouldn't fit hand in glove in our team right now is stupid. He's been one of the best players on the pitch and well worth the weekly demands he was asking for. Him and CMS would annihiliate the Championship. Just what we need.

I'm obviously stupid then.

Murray had a fantastic year with us last season, but...

If we really think he is the 25 goal a season striker who will take us to the premier league, then we might as well fold the club and give up now.

I'm setting the bar higher, and there are hundreds of better strikers out there, in this country and on the continent.

To be honest, I'd rather have Zamora back.

 

[Surf's Up]

It's not that he's not good enough to play, and it's not that we couldn't do with a player like him, but it is about his attitude. Gus decided that the damage caused to the team by his mood swings were not worth the skills he offered on the pitch, and no one here knows any better, so I don't know what you're on about. You seem to be suggesting that after managing him for 18 months, and watching him help us win the league, Gus didn't realise Murray could play football.

We all know Murray is good enough to play for us alongside CMS, but Gus didn't want him and I back Gus.

This - totalmente

 

[R. Slicker]

I'm obviously stupid then.

Murray had a fantastic year with us last season, but...

If we really think he is the 25 goal a season striker who will take us to the premier league, then we might as well fold the club and give up now.

I'm setting the bar higher, and there are hundreds of better strikers out there, in this country and on the continent.

To be honest, I'd rather have Zamora back.

Well, you said it.
Of all of these hundreds of better strikers out there, are there any coming to Brighton?
Maybe , like you, Gus underestimated Murrays impact on the team or thought he could easily replace him.
Whatever the reason, we seem to have ended up with Billy paynter trying to play the Murray role.
Now I'm sure Billy is an honest, hard working footballer and I'm not one to needlessly slag off our players but no matter hard he tries.......
He ain't no Glenn Murray.

 

[AMEXican Wave]

Well, you said it.
Of all of these hundreds of better strikers out there, are there any coming to Brighton?
Maybe , like you, Gus underestimated Murrays impact on the team or thought he could easily replace him.
Whatever the reason, we seem to have ended up with Billy paynter trying to play the Murray role.
Now I'm sure Billy is an honest, hard working footballer and I'm not one to needlessly slag off our players but no matter hard he tries.......
He ain't no Glenn Murray.

Murray is yesterday's hero.. a league 1 hero.

I absolutely believe that we can get better.

Please don't confuse the argument and link Billy Paynter's performances into how we rate Glenn Murray.

Seriously, at this level I do not rate Glenn Murray - We can do 100 times better.

This is genuine - 200 pounds from me to REMF if Glenn score 20 league goals this season for Palace, payable on June 1st. 50 pounds from me,anyway, on that date if he doesn't.

 

[British Bulldog]

Well, you said it.
Of all of these hundreds of better strikers out there, are there any coming to Brighton?

I'd say he allready has come to Brighton and once he's fit and had a run of games i'm convinced Will Hoskins will prove to be a more than capable replacement for Murray.