[Travel] HS2 to be scrapped?

[A1X]

Just a note.

For the media to attack the pre-filmed video made by the PM is a mute point and in reality highly hypocritical.

Anyone who works in TV knows pre-filmed content to be used (or not used) dependent on a future event has been part and parcel of TV News for decades.

I used to run a tape library for MTV and had a Frank Sinatra thing ready to go for weeks before he died.

The real issue is that wasn't declared to Parliament first, but this lot gave up on that level of scrutiny years ago.

The other issue being that the media focussed on the video (non) story and the (non) conspiracy rather than the parliamentary scrutiny issue.

I think the issue is him saying repeatedly “I haven’t decided yet” when clearly he had

 

[The Colonel]

If I'm in central London or central Birmingham and looking to get to the other, there's no way I'd be taking two trains (regardless of how fast one of them might be) over the existing route that is direct in 1hr 20mins or so.

Have I missed a key piece of information? Why is the government thinking anybody would use this?

 

[clapham_gull]

I think the issue is him saying repeatedly “I haven’t decided yet” when clearly he had

Frank Sinatra hadn't died.

It's a mute point. The stories were based on a leaks from the treasury and of course made a nice story, but a complete distraction.

My issue I'll reiterate. Something like that should be announced in Parliament and not at a conference.

Conferences are a party concern. Governments should announce things in parliament.

 

[clapham_gull]

If I'm in central London or central Birmingham and looking to get to the other, there's no way I'd be taking two trains (regardless of how fast one of them might be) over the existing route that is direct in 1hr 20mins or so.

Have I missed a key piece of information? Why is the government thinking anybody would use this?

You would use either if (and if) it goes into Euston. But of course makes more sense if it goes into Manchester.

HS2 v the West Coast line to me, is a bit the "South to North" London choice of using the Northern Line or the Victoria Line.

You need both to deal with capacity.

 

[A1X]

So, how’s the reaction to the announced things which will be funded with the HS2 money?

 

[The Colonel]

You would use either if (and if) it goes into Euston. But of course makes more sense if it goes into Manchester.

HS2 v the West Coast line to me, is a bit the "South to North" London choice of using the Northern Line or the Victoria Line.

You need both to deal with capacity.

Agreed, if it goes to Euston. But if it doesn't, what's the point? I find it incredible the government can get away with floating the idea of it terminating in an outer suburb of London and nobody really questions it.

 

[clapham_gull]

Agreed, if it goes to Euston. But if it doesn't, what's the point? I find it incredible the government can get away with floating the idea of it terminating in an outer suburb of London and nobody really questions it.

Not really an outer suburb, but I get your point.

I always thought it odd they didn't just create a short spur on the central line.

The vast majority of people coming into Euston aren't going to get on a train to go North again are they ? They will get on the underground.

 

[Weststander]

Long way to go on this story Dont expect a conclusion any time soon

AD 2040 the likely conclusion. We’ll be lucky not to be in nursing homes.

 

[clapham_gull]

Odd obsession in the media with comparing the respective journey times from Euston.

It's only quicker on the West Coast Line if Euston is where you want to go to or where you want to go from.

 

[Motogull]

So, how’s the reaction to the announced things which will be funded with the HS2 money?

Amateur night so expected reactions.

 

[AmexRuislip]

After dropping the car off at the garage this morning, I thought I'd peruse the latest HS2 vandalism.
This view is of East to West where the tunnel comes out at West Ruislip.

 

[beorhthelm]

After dropping the car off at the garage this morning, I thought I'd peruse the latest HS2 vandalism.
This view is of East to West where the tunnel comes out at West Ruislip.

why is some construction work for infrastructure called "vandalism".

this is why we can't get things done in this country. also funny how noise on how terrible HS2 will be has been replaced by noise on how terrible cancelling HS2 will be. protest against always makes more noise than support.

 

[nicko31]

So Sunak reckons he now has £36B to splash.

You can bet your bottom dollar we won't see much of this and what is used will be for "pork barrelling promises" in the run up to the election. We all know their game

 

[mikeyjh]

So, how’s the reaction to the announced things which will be funded with the HS2 money?

I didn't believe that there was the proposal to connect Derby with East Midlands Parkway by "rapid transit bus" but it's true! Yeah, there'll be loads of people who want to travel from Derby to the Parkway to be just as far from the airport as they started. And they'll definitely prefer the bus to the 12 minute train journey....

 

[Weststander]

Panorama just started about HS2. The angle I suspect will be anti last government.

But how the fck did the likely cost become well over £100b, from £32b, in 15 years? In the end the cross party parliamentary committee said it did not offer good value.

What happens now to the huge installations and irreparably damaged countryside in the bits in progress?

 

[AmexRuislip]

Panorama just started about HS2. The angle I suspect will be anti last government.

But how the fck did the likely cost become well over £100b, from £32b, in 15 years? In the end the cross party parliamentary committee said it did not offer good value.

What happens now to the huge installations and irreparably damaged countryside in the bits in progress?

Britain gets its new longest rail bridge in major HS2 milestone

Installation of final deck segment sees HS2 viaduct break 137-year old record Work on the 2.1-mile long deck of Colne Valley Viaduct started in May 2022 1,000 pre-cast segments made at purpose-built factory on-site

mediacentre.hs2.org.uk

This monstrosity near me, blighting what was a beautiful area.

 

[beorhthelm]

Panorama just started about HS2. The angle I suspect will be anti last government.

But how the fck did the likely cost become well over £100b, from £32b, in 15 years? In the end the cross party parliamentary committee said it did not offer good value.

What happens now to the huge installations and irreparably damaged countryside in the bits in progress?

we get the remaining not-quite-London to Birmingham relief line, bunch of land north of Birmingham that'll return to farmland in a few years.

though i suspect they'll try some sneaky peicemeal build, at least to Manchester.

 

[Weststander]

Britain gets its new longest rail bridge in major HS2 milestone

Installation of final deck segment sees HS2 viaduct break 137-year old record Work on the 2.1-mile long deck of Colne Valley Viaduct started in May 2022 1,000 pre-cast segments made at purpose-built factory on-site

mediacentre.hs2.org.uk

This monstrosity near me, blighting what was a beautiful area.

They’ve showed footage.

We gave the answer on why the Adonis/Tory £32b went up. Turns out the £32b, then £50b etc, was always going to be bollocks.

Dozens of tunnels and bridges, land purchases and rolling stock made this a well over £100b and growing project. Beyond the finances of the UK. Or enough to sort out the rubbish transport infrastructure in northern England with vast change to spare.

 

[Weststander]

we get the remaining not-quite-London to Birmingham line, bunch of land north of Birmingham that'll return to farmland in a few years.

though i suspect they'll try some sneaky peicemeal build, at least to Manchester.

Lots of vast concrete viaducts have been built, tunnels started, on a fresh rail route that doesn’t otherwise exist.

Fit for a Rob Bell Abandoned Engineering series one day.

 

[AmexRuislip]

Lots of vast concrete viaducts have been built, tunnels started, on a fresh rail route that doesn’t otherwise exist.

Fit for a Rob Bell Abandoned Engineering series one day.