[Politics] How would you vote in a referendum to legalise cannabis in the UK?
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Cotton Socks
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- Feb 20, 2017
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Apologies I misread your post & thought that it was a vape with THC in it. Maybe try the drops, as I said somewhere up there my mum had good results with it until she stopped as she was worried that her Dr would think she was a puff head as she had to have a blood test.Agree
Also agree
it’s actually the opposite with me - my lungs were ‘just’ smokers lungs lungs but when I replaced cigarettes with nicotine vaping (3%) about 4.5 years ago, I’ve developed severe asthmas, glass opacities and small lung disease as well as breathless all the time - there’s no proof it’s the vaping but it feels to me it is.
Agree with you there too -
I don’t understand the processing and why it’s so expensive but in an article recently ( that TB linked to incident ly above) I think it costs £250 for a months supply - times that by the quarter of the population who live with chronic pain - with the significant majority not paying for prescriptions that’s a large chunk of the health budget - CBD vapes are already legal in the UK - FYI - as long as they have under 0.2 THC ( the part that makes you stoned) - which is the sort he bought back This makes for heady reading https://www.england.nhs.uk/long-read/cannabis-based-products-for-medicinal-use-cbpms/#:~:text='Pure'%20cannabidiol%20(CBD),9%2Dtetrahydrocannabinol%20(THC).
A couple of my friends don't get on with vaping, one coughs so much just by trying it that she sounds like she's going to be sick. Another one has found a vape that she gets on with now so half smokes, half vapes. I tried one of those Elf Bars a couple of weeks ago & it was awful. It was like inhaling aspartame.
Regarding the costs of 'whole plant' treatment for people like Alfie, £250 per month is a drop in the ocean compared to what it costs to get him to hospital, an overnight stay etc, etc. & the epilepsy is causing permanent brain damage to some people. Then you have the physical damage of broken bones & smacking your face on hard surfaces. Epilepsy isn't just the fall on the floor & have a 'Grand Mal' (I think the name has changed) seizure that everyone associates with it, in the same way that it's actually rare for someone to be affected by flashing lights, but that's what everyone thinks. Seizures can even be brought on by basslines in music & patterns. Sorry this appears to have turned into a lecture on epilepsy
For chronic pain I'd have to compare it to something like Oramorph & I can't find the prices atm, the BNF book used to give prices but I don't have an up to date one. Patents usually last 10 years (unless that's changed) & from then on the 'recipe' is available to any drug company that wants to manufacture it. In the same way you can buy 'Neurofen' but you can buy cheap ibuprofen from a supermarket at a tiny fraction of the cost of Neurofen. Weirdly though with some epilepsy medications a different 'brand' sometimes doesn't work as well as another even though in theory they are the same. Going back to the cost, if it becomes mass produced the cost of the medication will lower. I'm not sure which came 1st but some epilepsy medication is also used as an anti-psychotic & the price has lowered (sorry went back onto the epilepsy thing there!).
I've seen a lot of p*ssed people, a lot of coked up & p*ssed people, a lot of stoned people. I've never come across someone stoned that's being a gobshite. People who smoke weed are only really harming themselves, if they want to sit indoors stoned playing video games (I'm going by the song posted above) then that's up to them.
My Jnr uses the cubicles at the Amex, he's not young but not an adult & is not comfortable yet with mass urinals, there is often a queue for the cubicles. My Jnr thinks that anyone who smokes, drinks, vapes is a 'chav' so I guess I'm a chav.
I don't have conscious 'open drug talks' with him where I sit him down etc, it's all done in an 'offhand' way but whilst talking to someone the other day about the amount of people using the cubicles at the Amex in front of him, I think I've accidentally made him paranoid about using the cubicles in case people think he's doing coke! 
The other part of the conversation made it crystal clear that you can tell by peoples eyes that they've taken something. He may go completely off the rails & do every drug available but if I could say out of the ones to try that cause the least harm, I'd say to have a joint. That conversation won't happen as if he starts down a drugs path he probably isn't going to tell me! Unless he can go to a cafe and have a smoke in the same way it will soon be legal for him to go to a pub & have a drink. 
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Cotton Socks
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Ahh Professor Nutt, that was the guy who did his list of drug harm as an independent on the ACMD, (as he was asked to do) & got sacked as his list didn't fit the narrative.
vegster
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Ah but, can you stop within 800 yards at that speed ?
Cotton Socks
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I'd imagine he could but if he was driving on the A23 then there'd be a mass pile up behind him already! My fil used to drive at 40mph on the A23 & it was bloody scary, he used to always say 'I've never been in an accident'! He had a driving license that was from the war so never actually had to take a test!
I drove the mini bus to Swindon away in the 90’s with a Clifton/Gulls Eye feel going on. It took 3 hrs from Guildford,
Seagull58
In the Algarve
I once took some South African customers to the Netherlands for customer reference visits. They wanted to try marijuana in Amsterdam. We were staying about 40 km away and I was the driver. We drove into Amsterdam and bought two hash cookies. My 3 customers shared one and I ate the other(!!!!). About 4 hours later we headed back to the hotel. I drove at around 120km/hr and had this feeling that I was sitting on the roof of the car looking down at them the entire time. We got back OK and I never told them a thing. I reckon it was about 6 hours before I felt normal.
When I have smoked weed in the past I generally just fell asleep.
PaulineSinclair
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Milano
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Agreed but it can also cause anxiety and paranoia, plus is linked to dementia (so is tobacco), so it's not that simple.
Out of interest would you legalise it over the counter or via prescription?
Birdie Boy
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- Jun 17, 2011
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No, it bloody stinks. Have you ever walked down ocean drive in miami, bloody disgusting. Strange how Amsterdam isn't like that though.
Mustafa II
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I don't think something should be illegal just because it smells.
I don't smoke the stuff, but I actually quite like the smell - although do agree it is quite potent and should be restricted to designated places. Another argument FOR legalisation?
I'm at the point where I'm beginning to think all illegal substances should be made legal for all the obvious reasons - slash organised crime, raise untold taxes, slash policing head-aches etc. I think there should then be regulation on where it can be taken and how.
As for cannabis, it has good effects and bad effects on people - I don't think there's a definitive argument either way there. Just legalise it and reap the tax benefits. It is something a bold Labour govt should do amid untold right-wing bleating.
As for cannabis, it has good effects and bad effects on people - I don't think there's a definitive argument either way there. Just legalise it and reap the tax benefits. It is something a bold Labour govt should do amid untold right-wing bleating.
Worried Man Blues
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If it's for that reason wouldn't/shouldn't a doctor prescribe it?
pocketseagull
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As a country we're now more backwards than the United States which led us along the merry path of the war on drugs.
pocketseagull
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They can.
Or Brighton beach.
"raise untold taxes"
Therein lies the problem IMO. If it is taxed highly, then the illegal market will still persist as it would still be cheaper. We see illegal alcohol and tobacco sales because governments impose so high duty / taxation rates.
Tobacco Products Duty rates
What would be the point of legalisation only to impose tax and duty rates that would make it unaffordable compared to illegal sources? You are just back to square one; people would buy from illegal sources because it would be cheaper.
40% were 'that self aware' at the last General Election in that case!I wish more people were that self aware
GingerBeerMan
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Weird bounce on a 3 year old thread. Also a weird account, created 5 years ago but only has 4 posts in the last week
