How thick are students...

[User removed 4]

How old is your average student then ?

The average age on my Masters Degree was well over 30.

Silly women but age isn't the issue.

It is when she looks about 30 and showed a level of maturity that would have embarassed my 9 year old son.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

dirty, lazy, good for nothing lay abouts ,lewes road area is full of them fact

 

[KneeOn]

For. f***. Sake.
At Joey Decons Disco Pants:

I backtracked because I said things in the heat of the moment, still having a bit of a buzz. Millbank was initially a split from the main protest, where we had a peacful "party" protest outside the Tory HQ. Chanting in the same stance as the main protest, and dancing was the order of the day for the first hour. Then at 2, anarchists and stupid, stupid students took over and the sudden surges of them pushing at us meant many students were pushed forward and forward, some resisted and tried to simply stay away from the police. Some joined, and added to the numbers of those pushing forward. Some were swept forward and dumped right by the police line even though it wasn't their intentions and others were able to get out. And yes, if we got on the topic and you REPEATIDLY didn't listen and grasp what I was saying i'd call you a scroat (or something else, but with the same intention.) I'm not however going to find you at Withdean with the sole intention of calling you a scroat.

The majority at Millbank didn't get in, a lot of those at Millbank were not going to cause damage and a substantial number took the building over.

I think it says a lot about our nation if the older generation based their views on us by the actions of about 300 people, out of 1000/2000 which in its self was out of 50,000 people.

I'm proud we took the protest to the doorstep of the Tory Party HQ, but the violence, the fire extinguisher are things i'm not proud of despite my earlier emotional angry output.

 

[Robbie G]

The police were being extremley heavy handed as well, and a lot of the violence was actually instigated by them. Rather than trying to protect the building which is what they were meant to be doing, they were seriously trying to injure people - and succeeded on a few occasions. The news says there were only 14 injuries, but I can promise you there were a lot more than that.

I'm not surprised they were heavy handed.

I got to Millbank just as people started storming the building (which for one entrance was very comical as it was a revolving door, so they had to go in one by one!). A hundred or so protesters had got into the lobby, a sofa had been pulled out and someone set off a smoke bomb. Then some people dressed all in black with their faces covered started kicking in a window.

This was only the beginning of it, and my friend and I decided to leave at that point because, with only a couple of police officers at the scene, we knew it was going to get worse. I expect they were heavy handed because the security of the building had already been compromised.

The problem often results in that those not wanting to be violent end up at the front of the crowd and are being pushed by idiots from the back of the crowd. (maybe illustrated in this picture Cordón de seguridad - Asalto a la sede de los 'Tories' - ELPAÍS.com). The police then have to fight them back which leads to the front row receiving a constant battering.

The march towards Millbank was all in good spirit and was very well organised (very relaxed police presence).

There will always be idiots who are out just to cause damage so I expect some hi-jacked the protest for this reason. I also think that a lot of the students that were involved inside Millbank (I assume they were if they had not covered their faces) are anarchist/strong socialist types who feel that such action is acceptable.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

For. f***. Sake.
At Joey Decons Disco Pants:

I backtracked because I said things in the heat of the moment, still having a bit of a buzz. Millbank was initially a split from the main protest, where we had a peacful "party" protest outside the Tory HQ. Chanting in the same stance as the main protest, and dancing was the order of the day for the first hour. Then at 2, anarchists and stupid, stupid students took over and the sudden surges of them pushing at us meant many students were pushed forward and forward, some resisted and tried to simply stay away from the police. Some joined, and added to the numbers of those pushing forward. Some were swept forward and dumped right by the police line even though it wasn't their intentions and others were able to get out. And yes, if we got on the topic and you REPEATIDLY didn't listen and grasp what I was saying i'd call you a scroat (or something else, but with the same intention.) I'm not however going to find you at Withdean with the sole intention of calling you a scroat.

The majority at Millbank didn't get in, a lot of those at Millbank were not going to cause damage and a substantial number took the building over.

I think it says a lot about our nation if the older generation based their views on us by the actions of about 300 people, out of 1000/2000 which in its self was out of 50,000 people.

I'm proud we took the protest to the doorstep of the Tory Party HQ, but the violence, the fire extinguisher are things i'm not proud of despite my earlier emotional angry output.

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[KneeOn]

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If I don't get through to him this time, i'm going to give up

 

[clapham_gull]

There is actually quite a debate going on the student forums regarding how education should be funded.

The massive hike appears to be the problem - but the discussions are far from black and white.

 

[Buzzer]

Er... Perhaps by seriously investing in staffing for HMRC to start collecting the £123bn (yes billion) each year in tax that the rich and super rich manage to avoid and evade, would be the starting point.

I suspect that most of that £123bn is avoidance which is perfectly legal. I'm not going to make any moral judgements on that but civil servants can do nothing about that. It's up to Parliament to view the loopholes and close them if they deem it worthwhile. (some loopholes will never be closed down because they are either too difficult or might scare away completely the company from being British registered).

Tax evasion is by it's very nature impossible to value but one area where I think the inland revenue could get sympathy with the public is this:

Publish figures for fines and interest that FTSE companies have paid and the unpaid/underpaid tax that relates to. Then do the same for small businesses and sole traders and partnerships. All the very scant evidence we have suggests that the taxman levies far heavier fines and interest as a proportion of the taxes on the little man in the street than it does with big business.

And if my hypothesis is confirmed then HMRC should have to explain itself and also start demanding that big business pays at the same rates as the rest of us. As well as a promise to investigate big business as doggedly as it does hairdressers, publicans, taxi drivers and the like (as you've alluded to in your post)

Just my twopennyworth and completely off topic from this thread.

 

[seagulls4ever]

I'm not surprised they were heavy handed.

I got to Millbank just as people started storming the building (which for one entrance was very comical as it was a revolving door, so they had to go in one by one!). A hundred or so protesters had got into the lobby, a sofa had been pulled out and someone set off a smoke bomb. Then some people dressed all in black with their faces covered started kicking in a window.

This was only the beginning of it, and my friend and I decided to leave at that point because, with only a couple of police officers at the scene, we knew it was going to get worse. I expect they were heavy handed because the security of the building had already been compromised.

The problem often results in that those not wanting to be violent end up at the front of the crowd and are being pushed by idiots from the back of the crowd. (maybe illustrated in this picture Cordón de seguridad - Asalto a la sede de los 'Tories' - ELPAÍS.com). The police then have to fight them back which leads to the front row receiving a constant battering.

The march towards Millbank was all in good spirit and was very well organised (very relaxed police presence).

There will always be idiots who are out just to cause damage so I expect some hi-jacked the protest for this reason. I also think that a lot of the students that were involved inside Millbank (I assume they were if they had not covered their faces) are anarchist/strong socialist types who feel that such action is acceptable.

They were blindly hitting people on the head with battons, doing as much as they possibly could to hurt people. Some of them were on a serious power trip, and were basically their position.

 

[Digweeds Trousers]

That Clare Solomon is one nauseous bint that really does grate.

It's an interesting debate - but sadly while most of us are working 14 hours a day praying that we keep our jobs, feed our families and have somewhere to live its rather tricky to listen to the whining smelly little gobshites who end up as the mouthpiece for these things.

I remember at uni there were some great causes I wanted to be a part of.

The problem is that on the whole the Student Union was populated by utter tools. Pompous, self-indulgent twats who had cosseted upbringings and felt that being 'rebellious' was tremendously fashionable.

The hatred of the middle-class, the pseudo-socialist rhetoric........

and the utter irony that 3-4 years after leaving university most of the mongoloids who were squawking about tuition fees or whatever the trendy topic of the day was, were working in super job in the city earning sheds of cash and abandoning their 'principles' from their student days.

If education is a dream you want to fulfill, flog your f***ing jack Wills clothes, your f***ing i-phone, get off the f***ing booze, dont go toi the pub and work your f***ing arse off until you drop.

then you may have some air-time to pass judgement on where you think my taxes should or should not be spent, you f***ing bone-idle indolent, smelly little shitfucks.

 

[Robbie G]

They were blindly hitting people on the head with battons, doing as much as they possibly could to hurt people. Some of them were on a serious power trip, and were basically their position.

OK, well I wasn't at the front of it all so I don't know first hand.

Problem with such a situation is that the aggression from some protesters feeds into the police defending their position. Especially if they see their fellow colleagues getting smacked about by some idiots.

The Met were woeful in stopping the riots. They knew the intended route of the march yet had no police officers around Millbank House until it was too late. This, of course, doesn't excuse the idiots who trashed it.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

They were blindly hitting people on the head with battons, doing as much as they possibly could to hurt people. Some of them were on a serious power trip, and were basically their position.

shut up you prick , if you want a row expect to get it back , it doesnt take a lot of working out but hey that's a student for you

 

[Gazwag]

They were blindly hitting people on the head with battons, doing as much as they possibly could to hurt people. Some of them were on a serious power trip, and were basically their position.

Hopefully knocked some sense into them, what was missing I feel were a few of those water cannons, that would have sent most of them crying home to mummy in their wet underwear.

 

[Rookie]

They were blindly hitting people on the head with battons, doing as much as they possibly could to hurt people. Some of them were on a serious power trip, and were basically their position.

What! So where are all these masses of injured then, last count it was under 20 and most were the police, and how come the masses of television and newspapers cameras did not catch the police deliberately hurting people?

 

[seagulls4ever]

shut up you prick , if you want a row expect to get it back , it doesnt take a lot of working out but hey that's a student for you

Yes that statement makes me a prick, nice one. Glad you know how to have a reasoned debate.

There were people who were doing nothing to cause any sort of violence getting attacked by violent over-the-top police, who were also hitting girls on the head, forcing them to the ground.

 

[BLOCK F]

It is when she looks about 30 and showed a level of maturity that would have embarassed my 9 year old son.

She is 37 and has a son who is a student.She has been a student for 4 years...God knows what she is studying.
Expelled from the SWP some time ago....a right ball of mischief;bet MI5 have got a bit of a file on this one!Look out for her on Spooks in a year or two!!

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Yes that statement makes me a prick, nice one. Glad you know how to have a reasoned debate.

There were people who were doing nothing to cause any sort of violence getting attacked by violent over-the-top police, who were also hitting girls on the head, forcing them to the ground.

get back under your duvet and do us all a favour

 

[seagulls4ever]

What! So where are all these masses of injured then, last count it was under 20 and most were the police, and how come the masses of television and newspapers cameras did not catch the police deliberately hurting people?

I saw about 10 students being injured (cuts to the head and blows to other areas of the body), and I was only there for an hour or so, so clearly there must have been more injuries. I've no idea why this wasn't covered. I guess because they have walked off and not reported what happened. I'm sure some videos will surface on YouTube.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

I saw about 10 students being injured (cuts to the head and blows to other areas of the body), and I was only there for an hour or so, so clearly there must have been more injuries. I've no idea why this wasn't covered. I guess because they have walked off and not reported what happened. I'm sure some videos will surface on YouTube.

that will fill the time in for you, I'M SURE YOU'VE GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO

 

[Don Quixote]

If they are so stupid what are they doing at University?