How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

[Icy Gull]

None of us know, it’s all guesswork. I thought the plan was to stagger people catching the virus so as not to overwhelm the NHS. We’ll find out whether that has worked over the next couple of weeks. Hence my vote for “fence” at the moment although my gut feeling is that Boris and his cronies are doing a good job. He could be doing a shit one or an amazing one.

How anyone on here can be so certain in their opinions on this mystifies me.

Really hope he’s got it right. Italy certainly hasn’t.

 

[Chicken Run]

Can this thread be moved please

 

[Thunder Bolt]

It was already serious in January. Now is not the time for pedantry. Why weren't they getting testing kits sorted, ordering extra protective clothing, looking to increase the supply of ventilators, preparing for the impact on the health service? The answer is they went against all advice and thought they could let it run through the population so we would develop immunity. This was the policy. To protect the economy, not to save lives.

Even NOW they are not testing NHS workers with symptoms.

Correct. When Johnson said take it on the chin and use herd immunity, we were saying you need vaccinations for herd immmunity.
He may have used experts but the experts got it wrong, and have done a U turn.

 

[El Presidente]

Test early 1/10
Restrict movement 1/10
Trace sources 1/10
Optimism 8/10
Less shit than Trump 10/10

It’s been an appalling dereliction of duty by the PM. More concerned with public image as wacky posh boy and being popular than he is about making tough early decisions.

We saw last month when he disappeared during the floods for a while because his pregnant girlfriend gave him a black eye for continuing to knock off his other girlfriends that he will put personal before public duty.

The fact that some people are still treating this crisis as a glorified joke is indicative at the failure to get the severity of this issue across to the nation. In a week’s time when thousands more have been unnecessarily infected and lives lost things might be viewed more soberly.

Before anyone starts the whatabouttery I think Corbyn would be just as useless (and the LD’s are an irrelevance). There are people on the front benches of both parties who could have done a far better job.

Johnson’s legacy will be that he didn’t get CoVid done and the consequences, social, economic and resource wise will set us back for a decade or more.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

Johnson has come up against something he can't bluff or lie his way out of. He has been utterly inadequate. Sunak looks good by comparison but all he's doing is implementing Labour-style spending plans that the Tories have spent the last decade telling us were impossible.

Spending which is necessary but spending borrowed money.
Even as a pensioner I wouldn’t be unhappy at paying 3p in the £ more tax, if our NHS could be properly run. God help our medical staff over the next 6 months.

 

[Mike Small]

The difference between Johnson and Trump when holding these conferences is remarkable, and frightening, at the same time. With Johnson, he defers to the experts in attendance. They give what information is required lucidly and truthfully. Johnson comes across well, is confident and more importantly is reassuring.

As for Trump, the man is a f***wit of the first order. Just for once I thought he might exude a bit of statesmanship, show that he’s a caring person, be a president that can lead his country and reassure its citizens. But no, he’s just the same idiot who lies, boasts, harangues, disputes, argues with everything and anybody that dares to challenge or contradict him. God help America with an oaf like him in charge. I’ll take Johnson any day.

Being better than Donald Trump is not an endorsement.

 

[W.C.]

Test early 1/10
Restrict movement 1/10
Trace sources 1/10
Optimism 8/10
Less shit than Trump 10/10

It’s been an appalling dereliction of duty by the PM. More concerned with public image as wacky posh boy and being popular than he is about making tough early decisions.

We saw last month when he disappeared during the floods for a while because his pregnant girlfriend gave him a black eye for continuing to knock off his other girlfriends that he will put personal before public duty.

The fact that some people are still treating this crisis as a glorified joke is indicative at the failure to get the severity of this issue across to the nation. In a week’s time when thousands more have been unnecessarily infected and lives lost things might be viewed more soberly.

Before anyone starts the whatabouttery I think Corbyn would be just as useless (and the LD’s are an irrelevance). There are people on the front benches of both parties who could have done a far better job.

Johnson’s legacy will be that he didn’t get CoVid done and the consequences, social, economic and resource wise will set us back for a decade or more.

This. Although for Corbyn's general uselessness I think he would do a much better job.

 

[el punal]

Being better than Donald Trump is not an endorsement.

No, but it’s a definite improvement.

 

[Hugo Rune]

Out of his depth.

Way way way out of his depth. He is flailing around over the Mariana Trench, trotters splashing here, there and everywhere as he attempts to keep his snout above water.

The best thing about Johnson is that he is not Trump. That’s not saying much. I suspect that he is also handling this crisis better than leaders in Iran, Russia and Myanmar so I’m not going to give him zero credit.

But he needs more than that, much more. Being Prime Minister is the most important job in our Country. There should never ever be a time when the scrutiny on the current incumbent is dimmed, never a moment where we say ‘It’s a difficult job, he is doing his best’.

The British PM should be the best of us. He is nowhere near.

He should be a genius at leading. And I mean genius. That’s what our great nation deserves. His genius, however, is in self promotion, climbing the greasy poll and being, frankly, very lucky.

He seems to display some of the worst characteristics you see amongst our populous. Entitlement, arrogance, selfishness, ignorance, buffoonery and damned right self interested nastiness.

The Egoist.
And Trump, like Nige, is a Egotist, ‘everyone for themselves’. Johnson is something much worse, an egoist, ‘everyone for me’. Every action he takes is for the greater good, but not the greater good of the Country, the greater good of himself. You can see this in almost all his actions. It’s clouded in popularism but that’s exactly why he follows that principle, he is tricking everyone into thinking he cares about them when actually, he couldn’t give a shit.

The Political genius.
Johnson’s genius lies in his self promotion. He gambled with the thing he values the most (his political career) in the same way he gambled on the initial ‘herd immunity’ based strategy. Seems like he signed off up to ‘100,000’ deaths initially before the scientists came back with the real figure’250,000’ and he realised that even the dumbest of his voters might have a problem with that. A U-Turn spun as ‘the model has changed’.

Just get that into your heads, he signed off a strategy that could see 100,000 people die in the Country when only 3,000 or so have died in China. Boris the butcher is a man who will take a decision like this without proper questioning
or scrutiny. Asking his scientists ‘why no one else in the world is doing this?’ Would have been a good start. He just didn’t care.

Another place Johnson’s genius lies is in manipulation. He understands the type of voters that got him elected. He understands the sort of people who are the majority in this Country. He knows that they don’t like being told what to do by either Brussels or himself. He knows that they’ll get upset when pubs are closed. He knows that it’s his biggest supporters who are those selfish people who are bulk buying. These are the ‘look after No.1 first’ people. He has tried to pacify them by being populist and not having an early lock down. That’s going to cost thousands of lives.

He also knows that very very few people who work in schools and hospitals voted for him, they are the real heroes we all rely on now. Talk to someone who works in either of these areas and you’ll find the sentiment I’m expressing here.

He is not making decisions?
Absolute bullshit. He realised some days ago that his decisions were going to cost thousands of extra lives. Nobody should be in any doubt that he is being given two, three or possibly more options when he is taking these big decisions (of which has mostly avoided). He must balance scientific advice with economic, social and practical issues but his first thought is always to look after No.1. How dare he try and pass off responsibility for this **** up, it’s his ****ing job. But people believe none of this is his fault. The same people who believed Labour caused the financial crash of 2008 I suspect. All leaders are taking scientific advice, the smart ones are listening to the WHO, the deplorable ones are symbolically pointing to scientists saying ‘it’s not my fault if this goes t**s up!’.

He is NOT a leader.
People obey him not because of his leadership style or personality, they do it because of his office. He has no gravitas, you just don’t think he is a serious human being, probably because his life has been about self promotion instead of wanting to improve the Country. He has no real Political beliefs other than power for himself, he has lurched over to socialist politics that would make Corbyn blush and has crippled the economy more than Corbyn ever could have done, all for a popularist agenda.

What we needed in a crisis was a Thatcher, Blair or even Cameron. But our Brexit self-harming has allowed the worst type of politician to sneak in and snatch the helm. Someone with no real strategic thinking, someone who can’t take non-popularist decisions. Someone totally ill equipped to serve his Country in our hour if need because he has only ever served his own needs.

No other leader in the world (except Trump) seems to be pretending to delegate decisions and responsibilities. Only a profound coward would do this.

His language.
It’s just not the language of a credible leader like Macron, Ardern or Varadkar that this swine spouts! Everything he had said for weeks was qualified with a ‘may’, ‘might’ or a ‘could’. He hasn’t committed to anything. He is concerned with saving his own bacon first. Contrast this to the almost parental, paternal and caring actions of Ardern and Varadkar, Prime Minister’s of Islands who understand Island mentality, they shut down those Islands very quickly to protect their citizens. They saw a danger to their flocks and acted bravely and decisively. They cared. They didn’t care about ‘freedoms’ or ‘economic interests’. They are in control currently and have infection rates a lot lower than us.

Mistake 1:
Covid-19 is born in China and quickly spreads. Where is the planning, where is the screening?
What did Johnson do? Were we preparing testing kits? Writing actions plans? Building ventilators? No. Nothing as far as I can tell. China is such a long way away, it seemed the government thought the pandemic would never hit. I realise that there has never been a proper plan or contingency for this sort of things and you can blame governments going back decades for this but at least copy a Country that does have proper models and planning rather than make everything up as you go along (a technique Johnson sadly trusts as it got him to No.10).

Mistake 2:
The initial ‘shark attack in Amity Island’ as the Sussex-Super-Spreader is out in China Town, Singapore, and picks up Covid-19. He jets to his doctor friend Alpine Chalet in France and promptly infects the party there. They return home and are hunted down by the press like foxes being mercilessly chased by crazed ex Bullingdon Boys and slaughtered by their wretched hounds.

I digress.

Nobody contracted Covid-19 in this country in that initial round of Sussex-by-the-sea cases, they all caught it in France. This was Johnson’s moment to be the hero, his moment to sit alongside his spiritual guru Churchill in the eyes of History. But he ****ed it.

Close the beach, there is a Great White swimming amongst us! Shutting down the borders and introducing a 14 day quarantine at this point would have saved thousands of lives and billions upon billions of pounds.

The true father of Brexit, Farage had seen this mistake and was screaming for closed borders but Johnson overlooked this decision. It was going to cost money, billions maybe in the short term, but did his pork parade want it?Importantly, the gammon had not echoed Farage’s call, the gammon were waiting for Johnson to act first. They were his piglets now, they’d jettisoned their original and genuine leader as he has about as much power as you or I. Gammon know where the pineapple is!

Johnson has still not protected our borders but it’s clearly way too late for that.

Mistake 3: CRITICAL
This one is probably going to be the one to cost thousands of lives.

‘Get me the best experts in this Country’ he would have blustered. ‘They can shoulder the blame’ he would have thought. But did he get the right experts? Did he ****. His biggest strength in the eyes of his gammon fanatics is his love for Britain. This is also one of his biggest weaknesses. Assuming we have the best of everything and not looking to emulate World class practice elsewhere or the advice of the likes of WHO will define him as a PM.

Which one our Scientists would have had the bravery to say, ‘Actually Sir, we’re about 5 years behind the likes of Singapore with our modelling and preparation for pandemics, we should just copy them, it will save thousands of lives’.

I feel so desperately sorry for Vallance and Whitty. They have been set-up by an utterly ruthless pig of a politician who wants them to shoulder all the responsibilities of the extra thousands who will die. I remember Blair doing this to some advisor. He killed himself.

There will be a public enquiry have no doubt. The porcine prince will blame the scientists, he’ll blame the public, he blame anyone but himself. Hopefully his gammon army will have had the fried eggs removed from their eyes and he’ll be forced to resign and return to his sty.

Now, I’m pretty certain we’ll get the big jump in deaths that Italy had (to three figures per day) either tomorrow or Monday.

I’m shocked that so many people are prepared to accept this. The boar king is delivering the same figures as Italy and people think he’s doing alright! WTF! He is in charge. Only he can take responsibility for this.

To be honest, we all need to get behind the government now, mistakes made weeks ago can’t be undone. We need to take their advice (for Johnson won’t force spam into a tin until there is no other choice) and stay at home whilst we wait to be told what to do and hopefully, receive serious consequences including fines or prison if we don’t.

I’m not going to criticise the government again until this is all over, there is nothing to be achieved in doing that, the truth will come out when this hell is over.

But mark my words, when Covid-19 has left our noble shores, I’ll be on the streets of London with hundreds of thousands of others calling for the head of the hog boss and holding him personally to account for the needless extra deaths of thousands and thousands.

He has ****ed this up big style.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

"approved" labs being crucial limiting factor. probably every university biology department could run the test, dozens of private pharma labs too, they need to be approved for medical results.

What exactly do you mean by “approved”? Most, if not all, commercial labs will have the accreditation to demonstrate they are operating at the required ethical and technical standards for medical laboratories. Otherwise no one will use them, or be able to use them, if they can’t receive validated results.

 

[Uncle Spielberg]

63% approval rating

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

63% approval rating

With us mirroring Italy, it'll be interesting what the %age is in 14 days time.

 

[Wozza]

63% approval rating

Let's see by next weekend - and beyond.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

Way way way out of his depth. He is flailing around over the Mariana Trench, trotters splashing here, there and everywhere as he attempts to keep his snout above water.

The best thing about Johnson is that he is not Trump. That’s not saying much. I suspect that he is also handling this crisis better than leaders in Iran, Russia and Myanmar so I’m not going to give him zero credit.

But he needs more than that, much more. Being Prime Minister is the most important job in our Country. There should never ever be a time when the scrutiny on the current incumbent is dimmed, never a moment where we say ‘It’s a difficult job, he is doing his best’.

The British PM should be the best of us. He is nowhere near.

He should be a genius at leading. And I mean genius. That’s what our great nation deserves. His genius, however, is in self promotion, climbing the greasy poll and being, frankly, very lucky.

He seems to display some of the worst characteristics you see amongst our populous. Entitlement, arrogance, selfishness, ignorance, buffoonery and damned right self interested nastiness.

The Egoist.
And Trump, like Nige, is a Egotist, ‘everyone for themselves’. Johnson is something much worse, an egoist, ‘everyone for me’. Every action he takes is for the greater good, but not the greater good of the Country, the greater good of himself. You can see this in almost all his actions. It’s clouded in popularism but that’s exactly why he follows that principle, he is tricking everyone into thinking he cares about them when actually, he couldn’t give a shit.

The Political genius.
Johnson’s genius lies in his self promotion. He gambled with the thing he values the most (his political career) in the same way he gambled on the initial ‘herd immunity’ based strategy. Seems like he signed off up to ‘100,000’ deaths initially before the scientists came back with the real figure’250,000’ and he realised that even the dumbest of his voters might have a problem with that. A U-Turn spun as ‘the model has changed’.

Just get that into your heads, he signed off a strategy that could see 100,000 people die in the Country when only 3,000 or so have died in China. Boris the butcher is a man who will take a decision like this without proper questioning
or scrutiny. Asking his scientists ‘why no one else in the world is doing this?’ Would have been a good start. He just didn’t care.

Another place Johnson’s genius lies is in manipulation. He understands the type of voters that got him elected. He understands the sort of people who are the majority in this Country. He knows that they don’t like being told what to do by either Brussels or himself. He knows that they’ll get upset when pubs are closed. He knows that it’s his biggest supporters who are those selfish people who are bulk buying. These are the ‘look after No.1 first’ people. He has tried to pacify them by being populist and not having an early lock down. That’s going to cost thousands of lives.

He also knows that very very few people who work in schools and hospitals voted for him, they are the real heroes we all rely on now. Talk to someone who works in either of these areas and you’ll find the sentiment I’m expressing here.

He is not making decisions?
Absolute bullshit. He realised some days ago that his decisions were going to cost thousands of extra lives. Nobody should be in any doubt that he is being given two, three or possibly more options when he is taking these big decisions (of which has mostly avoided). He must balance scientific advice with economic, social and practical issues but his first thought is always to look after No.1. How dare he try and pass off responsibility for this **** up, it’s his ****ing job. But people believe none of this is his fault. The same people who believed Labour caused the financial crash of 2008 I suspect. All leaders are taking scientific advice, the smart ones are listening to the WHO, the deplorable ones are symbolically pointing to scientists saying ‘it’s not my fault if this goes t**s up!’.

He is NOT a leader.
People obey him not because of his leadership style or personality, they do it because of his office. He has no gravitas, you just don’t think he is a serious human being, probably because his life has been about self promotion instead of wanting to improve the Country. He has no real Political beliefs other than power for himself, he has lurched over to socialist politics that would make Corbyn blush and has crippled the economy more than Corbyn ever could have done, all for a popularist agenda.

What we needed in a crisis was a Thatcher, Blair or even Cameron. But our Brexit self-harming has allowed the worst type of politician to sneak in and snatch the helm. Someone with no real strategic thinking, someone who can’t take non-popularist decisions. Someone totally ill equipped to serve his Country in our hour if need because he has only ever served his own needs.

No other leader in the world (except Trump) seems to be pretending to delegate decisions and responsibilities. Only a profound coward would do this.

His language.
It’s just not the language of a credible leader like Macron, Ardern or Varadkar that this swine spouts! Everything he had said for weeks was qualified with a ‘may’, ‘might’ or a ‘could’. He hasn’t committed to anything. He is concerned with saving his own bacon first. Contrast this to the almost parental, paternal and caring actions of Ardern and Varadkar, Prime Minister’s of Islands who understand Island mentality, they shut down those Islands very quickly to protect their citizens. They saw a danger to their flocks and acted bravely and decisively. They cared. They didn’t care about ‘freedoms’ or ‘economic interests’. They are in control currently and have infection rates a lot lower than us.

Mistake 1:
Covid-19 is born in China and quickly spreads. Where is the planning, where is the screening?
What did Johnson do? Were we preparing testing kits? Writing actions plans? Building ventilators? No. Nothing as far as I can tell. China is such a long way away, it seemed the government thought the pandemic would never hit. I realise that there has never been a proper plan or contingency for this sort of things and you can blame governments going back decades for this but at least copy a Country that does have proper models and planning rather than make everything up as you go along (a technique Johnson sadly trusts as it got him to No.10).

Mistake 2:
The initial ‘shark attack in Amity Island’ as the Sussex-Super-Spreader is out in China Town, Singapore, and picks up Covid-19. He jets to his doctor friend Alpine Chalet in France and promptly infects the party there. They return home and are hunted down by the press like foxes being mercilessly chased by crazed ex Bullingdon Boys and slaughtered by their wretched hounds.

I digress.

Nobody contracted Covid-19 in this country in that initial round of Sussex-by-the-sea cases, they all caught it in France. This was Johnson’s moment to be the hero, his moment to sit alongside his spiritual guru Churchill in the eyes of History. But he ****ed it.

Close the beach, there is a Great White swimming amongst us! Shutting down the borders and introducing a 14 day quarantine at this point would have saved thousands of lives and billions upon billions of pounds.

The true father of Brexit, Farage had seen this mistake and was screaming for closed borders but Johnson overlooked this decision. It was going to cost money, billions maybe in the short term, but did his pork parade want it?Importantly, the gammon had not echoed Farage’s call, the gammon were waiting for Johnson to act first. They were his piglets now, they’d jettisoned their original and genuine leader as he has about as much power as you or I. Gammon know where the pineapple is!

Johnson has still not protected our borders but it’s clearly way too late for that.

Mistake 3: CRITICAL
This one is probably going to be the one to cost thousands of lives.

‘Get me the best experts in this Country’ he would have blustered. ‘They can shoulder the blame’ he would have thought. But did he get the right experts? Did he ****. His biggest strength in the eyes of his gammon fanatics is his love for Britain. This is also one of his biggest weaknesses. Assuming we have the best of everything and not looking to emulate World class practice elsewhere or the advice of the likes of WHO will define him as a PM.

Which one our Scientists would have had the bravery to say, ‘Actually Sir, we’re about 5 years behind the likes of Singapore with our modelling and preparation for pandemics, we should just copy them, it will save thousands of lives’.

I feel so desperately sorry for Vallance and Whitty. They have been set-up by an utterly ruthless pig of a politician who wants them to shoulder all the responsibilities of the extra thousands who will die. I remember Blair doing this to some advisor. He killed himself.

There will be a public enquiry have no doubt. The porcine prince will blame the scientists, he’ll blame the public, he blame anyone but himself. Hopefully his gammon army will have had the fried eggs removed from their eyes and he’ll be forced to resign and return to his sty.

Now, I’m pretty certain we’ll get the big jump in deaths that Italy had (to three figures per day) either tomorrow or Monday.

I’m shocked that so many people are prepared to accept this. The boar king is delivering the same figures as Italy and people think he’s doing alright! WTF! He is in charge. Only he can take responsibility for this.

To be honest, we all need to get behind the government now, mistakes made weeks ago can’t be undone. We need to take their advice (for Johnson won’t force spam into a tin until there is no other choice) and stay at home whilst we wait to be told what to do and hopefully, receive serious consequences including fines or prison if we don’t.

I’m not going to criticise the government again until this is all over, there is nothing to be achieved in doing that, the truth will come out when this hell is over.

But mark my words, when Covid-19 has left our noble shores, I’ll be on the streets of London with hundreds of thousands of others calling for the head of the hog boss and holding him personally to account for the needless extra deaths of thousands and thousands.

He has ****ed this up big style.

Updated graphic:

https://twitter.com/witter_jim/status/1241475920659189760?s=19

~130 more deaths projected for today.

 

[Triggaaar]

How do you think Bozza has handled it so far ?

I've realised in time that I misread the title.

 

[Wozza]

Great that this comparison has gone viral (to raise awareness).

I recommend following this guy - who's been updating this graph for the FT for over a week.

It's really not pretty reading, but spells out exactly where we are compared with other nations...

https://twitter.com/jburnmurdoch/status/1241463928271581185?s=20

[tweet]1241463928271581185[/tweet]

 

[Comrade Sam]

I assume people are joking when they say Boris is doing a good job. After 40 years of privatisation (applauded by Boris), 12 years of austerity (applauded by Boris) we have seen the NHS, social services, benefits system, social housing, wages and local authority funding all stripped to the bone. Meanwhile massive tax cuts for the rich and cash for banks have seen a massive increase in state borrowing and the national debt (all applauded by Boris). The creation of the gig economy now sees millions on zero hour contracts entitled to nothing at this point (applauded by Boris and means as Supply Teachers me and my Wife are currently bereft of any income). Boris wins an election, supported by the BBC and Britain's media who all claimed there is no such thing as a magic money tree to solve problems. Then we discover, whilst we've been expecting a pandemic for a century, they had no plan. As we watched Covid 19 unfold for months this continued to be the case. So when it arrived they decided on the do nothing Herd plan, until they realised that a million Tory voting pensioners could die. So they decided to change plan for a kinda lock down whilst the whole economic system collapsed around them. Even then it's not a real lockdown as the streets of London are still filled with people swanning about. Know we're told what ever it takes, whilst friends in the nhs are working with Covid 19 victims armed with two bit masks and a plastic apron. People seem to forget this time every year the hospitals run out of beds as the system is stretched beyond capacity. If you really can't see both this bunch of Etonian Muppets and capitalism isn't fit for purpose now, then there's no hope for humanity.

 

[Wozza]

In fairness to Boris, he's not the worst on No.10....

From The Times:

In January, Whitty told the cabinet: “It either stays in China or it will get everywhere.” For two months the government had time to prepare, but Johnson’s instincts were to resist a life-changing crackdown. “There was a lot of talk about how this was just a bit of flu,” one senior Tory recalled.

Dominic Cummings, the prime minister’s senior aide, became convinced that Britain would be better able to resist a lethal second wave of the disease next winter if Whitty’s prediction that 60% to 80% of the population became infected was right and the UK developed “herd immunity”.

At a private engagement at the end of February, Cummings outlined the government’s strategy. Those present say it was “herd immunity, protect the economy and if that means some pensioners die, too bad”.

At the Sage meeting on March 12, a moment now dubbed the “Domoscene conversion”, Cummings changed his mind. In this “penny-drop moment”, he realised he had helped set a course for catastrophe. Until this point, the rise in British infections had been below the European average. Now they were above it and on course to emulate Italy, where the picture was bleak. A minister said: “Seeing what was happening in Italy was the galvanising force across government.”

By Friday, March 13, Cummings had become the most outspoken advocate of a tough crackdown. “Dominic himself had a conversion,” a senior Tory said. “He’s gone from ‘herd immunity and let the old people die’, to ‘let’s shut down the country and the economy.’”

Cummings had a “meeting of minds” with Matt Hancock, the health secretary, who wanted stronger action to prevent NHS hospitals being swamped. Department of Health officials had impressed on Hancock that the death rate in Wuhan province was 3.4% when the hospitals were overrun and 0.7% elsewhere in China.

Johnson had also been queasy about the previous original approach. “Boris hated the language of ‘herd immunity’ because it implied that it was OK for people to die,” a senior source said. “Matt hated the language because it implied we had given up. You’ve got to fight.”

 

[Triggaaar]

How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?

The decision to cancel mass gatherings, advise social distancing, and close pubs etc, was made too late. While it's ultimately Boris who is responsible, I believe his advisors let him down.

Patrick Vallance (Government Chief Scientific Adviser) advised that we should let the virus spread so that we'd build herd immunity. It was blindingly obvious that that was a terrible strategy.

 

[Blue Valkyrie]

If an army/police lockdown doesn't happen by tomorrow we are behind Italy.

Has the Chief Ditherer got it covered ?