Machiavelli
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I'm suggesting that he's to be believed when he's speaking under oath in parliament.
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How do you think Boris has handled it so far ?
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I'm suggesting that he's to be believed when he's speaking under oath in parliament.
In the immortal words of Paul Simon...
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest".
"Still a man hears what he wants to hear
And disregards the rest".
Baker lite
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Machiavelli
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You're conveniently forgetting that this current PM (and hence government) has an extremely tenuous relationship with the concept of the truth, which would make his predecessor shudder. Just a few things that immediately spring to mind, but we could always dig around for some more:
-- £350m a week for the NHS
-- Turkey about to join the EU
-- he only had "one of the symptoms" for CV and was feeling fine and on the mend
-- bendy bananas
-- 40 new hospitals
Actually, I've just checked. There's a website dedicated to it, put together by the (actually rather good) conservative journalist, Peter Oborne.
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What's the point in having planning exercises if you don't bother looking at the results?
What's the point in having planning exercises if you don't bother looking at the results?
Horses Arse
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I hope this bakerlite wally is a palace goon. Very embarassing otherwise
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rogersix
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he is certainly a... "fanatic"
Baker lite
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There is no need to take that tone....
I was simply enquiring as to how many items of PPE the EU has distributed under the procurement scheme.
Just because My question does not go down to well in this echo chamber. No need to accuse Me of being a P*lace fan..
Palacefinder General
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Or just a racist prick.
Baker lite
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What! WHAT?...
Raleigh Chopper
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I suggest you keep your powder dry, it's about the future, this is far from over and the people who use PPE need to change 4 times a day, surgeons every time they do an operation.
We have had 1 airplane that was late from Turkey with nowhere near enough on board, Denise Van Outen is making some at home from a pattern.
The EU has more clout to get PPE from other EU countries like Germany and other countries around the world.
1 state in America ( Maryland) got more from South Korea than we have got from anywhere.
The EU may fail but I am sure that as it goes on we are going to wish we had turned out laptop on and received that email we apparently missed.
Agree.
Not sure if it has been mentioned previously but it is reported that London hospitals alone use 30/40k gowns a day!!
Yet again, you have comprehensively misunderstood what the scheme is, or how it works. It is a joint members scheme that EU members, including GB signed up to in 2014 after an H1N1 outbreak highlighted flaws in our ability to source and purchase equipment and vaccineseing a part of the scheme requires a financial contribution that gets pooled and enables the bulk purchase of PPE and other medical equipment from suitable vendors. Ensuring all member countries get quality equipment and speedy procurement.
GB are eligible for this scheme until Dec 2020. Our government decided not to take part in this round of procurement. Then claimed they didn't get the email despite being signed up to the scheme since 2014. Had they forgotten we were eligible?
There were some delays last month while suitable vendors, able to produce tested, quality controlled equipment were sourced. By mid March vendors had been found and 1.5 Billion Euros (£1.3bn) of equipment had been purchased. This is currently being successfully distributed to members and has been since last month.
In contrast, GB got a delivery of PPE today from Turkey that remains sitting in crates on a runway.
Those are the facts. I cannot find individual unit numbers but £1.3bn gets you a fair amount.
As an aside, please don't use a global crisis to further your anti-EU stance. It makes you look like a bit of a numbskull, especially when you have demonstrated you don't understand the scheme in the first place.
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Did Spain get missed by the PPE fairy?
Most nurses in Spain worked during Covid-19 crisis without protective equipment, study shows
The majority of nurses in Spain say they have been working during the Covid-19 crisis without enough protective equipment, according to a study by the Spanish College of Nursing (CGE).
Of the 11,000 nurses surveyed across Spain, 74% said there were no masks in their work unit and 55% reported a lack of protective gowns.
"Health workers didn't have the most basic protection equipment against the virus, which could explain the extremely high number of workers infected in our country,” CGE, the professional body for the Spanish nursing profession, said in a press release on Wednesday.
However, the Spanish College of Nursing believes there are many more cases among health workers than have been reported, as the study reveals two-thirds of nurses reported having symptoms but weren't able to get tested. The report also reveals 5% of nurses had to work with symptoms. Madrid, the hardest hit by the virus of Spain’s 17 regions, was also the region with the most number of nurses who reported having symptoms compatible with Covid-19.
In a lengthy report about Covid-19, the Ministry of Health said “the high contagion rate among health care workers could be attributed to different factors.” In the initial phase especially when there was less knowledge about how the virus was transmitted, the report said, cases “could have been generated among health care workers improperly protected.”
The College of Nursing study also reveals that many workers said they didn't receive enough Covid-19-specific training to treat infected patients or use the special protective equipment. Some nurses also reported receiving "poor quality" supplies, such as having to reuse or wash masks and gowns, spending up to 14 hours with the same equipment, and reusing it the next day.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-...22-20-intl/h_375d35cc5c8853cce84e44ca31e3285a
The majority of nurses in Spain say they have been working during the Covid-19 crisis without enough protective equipment, according to a study by the Spanish College of Nursing (CGE).
Of the 11,000 nurses surveyed across Spain, 74% said there were no masks in their work unit and 55% reported a lack of protective gowns.
"Health workers didn't have the most basic protection equipment against the virus, which could explain the extremely high number of workers infected in our country,” CGE, the professional body for the Spanish nursing profession, said in a press release on Wednesday.
However, the Spanish College of Nursing believes there are many more cases among health workers than have been reported, as the study reveals two-thirds of nurses reported having symptoms but weren't able to get tested. The report also reveals 5% of nurses had to work with symptoms. Madrid, the hardest hit by the virus of Spain’s 17 regions, was also the region with the most number of nurses who reported having symptoms compatible with Covid-19.
In a lengthy report about Covid-19, the Ministry of Health said “the high contagion rate among health care workers could be attributed to different factors.” In the initial phase especially when there was less knowledge about how the virus was transmitted, the report said, cases “could have been generated among health care workers improperly protected.”
The College of Nursing study also reveals that many workers said they didn't receive enough Covid-19-specific training to treat infected patients or use the special protective equipment. Some nurses also reported receiving "poor quality" supplies, such as having to reuse or wash masks and gowns, spending up to 14 hours with the same equipment, and reusing it the next day.
https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-...22-20-intl/h_375d35cc5c8853cce84e44ca31e3285a
France and italy have had widely-reported shortages too.
I believe eight additional suppliers are now providing equipment, above the original four in an attempt to counter shortfalls that this unprecedented crisis has created.
Weststander
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I love your daily reality checks in these threads. Then no one takes you to task.
Let’s face it, only Germany (so far) is a large nation shining light in Europe. Most other nations, understandably to an extent with a unique pandemic and with China/WHO not coming out of this well in the early stages, have made errors, been caught on the hop, would do many things differently in hindsight.
Do we know what the total number of 'front line' healthcare workers are for Spain, Italy and France? And then, do we know how many have died? I would like to get a view on how the health services in these countries fared with little or no PPE.
Isn't that the long and the short of it? Worldwide there just isn't enough to go round. I have no idea how badly, or otherwise, the UK have performed compared to others with regard to PPE supply, but I do know that I have repeatedly read about shortages in nearly every other major cash-rich Western economy.
France had a stockpile of 140m face masks. That put them in a position of looking well-prepared for a health service that used 4m per week on average. During recent weeks, they've been using in excess of 40m/week. That stockpile, that looked good for over 8 months, was suddenly going to run out in around 3 weeks.
Weststander
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Badly?