[News] Hope everyone has their thoughts and prayers ready ..........again

[TheJasperCo]

There are lots of commentators saying that Trump is actually promoting this sort of thing, with his refusal to condemn incendiary talk in the strongest terms. The El Paso shooter used lots of similar language to Trump, about invasions etc. Coupled with Trump attacking black congresswomen, I would say that he is a very dangerous person to have at the helm, at a time like this. Christ, he wouldn't even condemn those white nationalists a couple of years ago! "There are very fine people on both sides"

Trump is a scape-goat. I know some people don't like whataboutery, but imagine if Hillary Clinton was in power now? Do you think this lunatic would be sitting with his feet up in front of the air conditioning sipping a nice malt whiskey if anyone else (liberal or otherwise) were in power?

Trump is an excuse, and yes he inflames tension, he stokes the fires of hate. But it's the mentally ill and easily manipulated who must shoulder all the blame. I think, anyway. If you disagree with me there, that would be understandable.


Addendum: Because don't forget, millions of people voted for Trump and millions of people are not murderers. They may agree with his racist tirades and nonsense, but crucially - crucially - they don't resort to taking others' lives.

 

[Bold Seagull]

The lad who killed 9 in Ohio was a left wing lad who supported the democratic party.

Perhaps instead of politicising these mindless killings like utter scummers we should note that society as a whole needs to do better in bringing these people out of their holes, specifically young men and integrate them into society. Availability of mental health services in the US is atrocious, people are more likely to be ostracised and ridiculed in todays society as opposed to helped. They go to their safe space online somewhere, post how they feel and get radicalised on those same websites because society told them to **** off.


We. Must. Do. Better.

Alternatively we could just kick off about their political affiliations, try and score some points and eagerly await the next one to see which 'side' they're on.

Probably best not to politicise something you're telling people not to politicise. Would seem obvious I guess.

 

[The_Viper]

Take your own advice?

The El Paso killer literally wrote a manifesto which the police have described as racist and anti-immigrant. It's crystal clear what his intentions were.

The Ohio killer? A left wing democrat you say? Where do you get this information from? I've read plenty of similar stuff but it's all been from dodgy as **** right wing nut jobs on the net spreading rumour. Got any credible sources on his political leanings and their relevance to him going on a murder spree?

Probably best not to politicise something you're telling people not to politicise. Would seem obvious I guess.

Providing sources and arguing with you just proves that point that we just want to point score. Not having it. My point in posting that was this gun spree issue is higher than political leanings being to blame, lot of major societal factors are and we need to fix them.

 

[Klaas]

Providing sources and arguing with you just proves that point that we just want to point score. Not having it.

Except you did 'have it'.

 

[FatSuperman]

Trump is a scape-goat. I know some people don't like whataboutery, but imagine if Hillary Clinton was in power now? Do you think this lunatic would be sitting with his feet up in front of the air conditioning sipping a nice malt whiskey if anyone else (liberal or otherwise) were in power?
Trump is an excuse, and yes he inflames tension, he stokes the fires of hate. But it's the mentally ill and easily manipulated who must shoulder all the blame. I think, anyway. If you disagree with me there, that would be understandable.
Addendum: Because don't forget, millions of people voted for Trump and millions of people are not murderers. They may agree with his racist tirades and nonsense, but crucially - crucially - they don't resort to taking others' lives.

Who knows what would have happened with Hillary in power, perhaps the guy would have gone elsewhere to carry out his crime. Perhaps different people would have done a similar thing. I think the general concern is that if your President is inflaming hatred, you would expect that tone to be taken up - especially somewhere like the US. Where else in the developed world do you see heads of state acting like this man!

I don't disagree with your point at all, and absolutely there is something very wrong with these people, but fixing that before they act on it seems like an impossible task to me. Which is why my very strong view on it is to try and reduce the access to the weaponry - you will reduce the damage they can do, and based on other countries, you'll reduce the incidence as well.

Of course, addressing the mental health issues must be a priority alongside this.

 

[The_Viper]

Except you did 'have it'.

This thread was going on about it being racist Trump supporters shooting people up. The US had two mass shootings in 24 hours, one was from a racist, Trump supporting scumbag and the other was someone on the opposite of the political spectrum. Blaming the left or the right or politicians is a waste of time, I'm repeating myself for the third time now and you don't seem to get it, are you so entrenched in this political warfare you're unwilling to consider other factors?

 

[Bold Seagull]

Providing sources and arguing with you just proves that point that we just want to point score. Not having it. My point in posting that was this gun spree issue is higher than political leanings being to blame, lot of major societal factors are and we need to fix them.

I don't want to point score, I'm just saying you started your post stating the political leanings of another incident, you ended by saying "Alternatively we could just kick off about their political affiliations" - which is exactly what you opened with. It is a very confused message you're making.

 

[The_Viper]

I don't want to point score, I'm just saying you started your post stating the political leanings of another incident, you ended by saying "Alternatively we could just kick off about their political affiliations" - which is exactly what you opened with. It is a very confused message you're making.

I've clarified twice already, It was an attempt to get people to realise politics doesn't mean anything when we have 2 people in 24 hours with total opposite political leanings shooting people en masse. It wasn't supposed to be a LOOK THIS GROUP DOES IT TOO, it was supposed to be a "Huh, this doesn't seem to be exclusive to one group, what else could be the cause here besides politics".

 

[Bold Seagull]

This thread was going on about it being racist Trump supporters shooting people up. The US had two mass shootings in 24 hours, one was from a racist, Trump supporting scumbag and the other was someone on the opposite of the political spectrum. Blaming the left or the right or politicians is a waste of time, I'm repeating myself for the third time now and you don't seem to get it, are you so entrenched in this political warfare you're unwilling to consider other factors?

One was from an individual that posted a political manifesto stating his beliefs clearly and unequivocally. You cannot separate politics from that incident because the perpetrator has given his political motivation.

The incident in Ohio we know far less about, the gunman's sister was one of the 8 dead. All you've got is conjecture on this one, which is why you yourself are politicising it by stating it is democrat related.

 

[Klaas]

One was from an individual that posted a political manifesto stating his beliefs clearly and unequivocally. You cannot separate politics from that incident because the perpetrator has given his political motivation.

The incident in Ohio we know far less about, the gunman's sister was one of the 8 dead. All you've got is conjecture on this one, which is why you yourself are politicising it by stating it is democrat related.

Precisely. Unsurprising though, this poster has previous form for this kind of nonsense.

 

[Juan Albion]

This thread was going on about it being racist Trump supporters shooting people up. The US had two mass shootings in 24 hours, one was from a racist, Trump supporting scumbag and the other was someone on the opposite of the political spectrum. Blaming the left or the right or politicians is a waste of time, I'm repeating myself for the third time now and you don't seem to get it, are you so entrenched in this political warfare you're unwilling to consider other factors?

Probably because as far as we know, only one of them acted from a political motivation. Part of the El Paso shooter's manifesto sounded a lot like Trump, and similarly, some of what Trump has said since sounds like the shooter's manifesto. There is (currently) no such connection with the shooting in Ohio (whether it was Dayton or Toledo).So I'm afraid your argument holds no water - yet, anyway.

 

[FatSuperman]

Walmart are reducing the number of computer games they sell, if the games feature guns.

Not changing their policy on selling ACTUAL guns. **** me.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...taking-down-violent-video-game-demos-displays

 

[BadFish]

Walmart are reducing the number of computer games they sell, if the games feature guns.

Not changing their policy on selling ACTUAL guns. **** me.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...taking-down-violent-video-game-demos-displays

There really is no hope.

I was watching something that said the vast majority of public opinion said they wanted tighter gun control (haven't verified the data). The NRL have a lot to answer for.

 

[TheJasperCo]

There really is no hope.

I was watching something that said the vast majority of public opinion said they wanted tighter gun control (haven't verified the data). The NRL have a lot to answer for.

Only surprise is that it's taken this long for the majority of citizens finally to feel that way. Sooner or later, gun violence will (directly or indirectly) affect everyone's lives over there, so those who once were leaning towards gun liberalism swiftly change their minds.

 

[Triggaaar]

Only surprise is that it's taken this long for the majority of citizens finally to feel that way. Sooner or later, gun violence will (directly or indirectly) affect everyone's lives over there, so those who once were leaning towards gun liberalism swiftly change their minds.

Well gun violence affected the lives of 22 people at Walmart, El Paso, but none of them will be voting against gun ownership.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

Walmart are reducing the number of computer games they sell, if the games feature guns.

Not changing their policy on selling ACTUAL guns. **** me.

https://www.gamesindustry.biz/artic...taking-down-violent-video-game-demos-displays

Making it harder to buy pretend guns instead of real ones FFS America.

 

[Lyndhurst 14]

When you get confronted by this amount of 'gun porn' in your local bookstore you realize nothing will ever change

 

[Bold Seagull]

Thumbs up, happy face, this baby has been orphaned by a mass shooting, photo opportunity, big grin...

 

[RexCathedra]

Only surprise is that it's taken this long for the majority of citizens finally to feel that way. Sooner or later, gun violence will (directly or indirectly) affect everyone's lives over there, so those who once were leaning towards gun liberalism swiftly change their minds.

Various measures -- especially background checks, but also licensing, liability insurance, trigger locks -- have polled favorably for twenty years.

 

[RexCathedra]

When you get confronted by this amount of 'gun porn' in your local bookstore you realize nothing will ever change

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