Here's whats wrong with English football

[Simster]

Piss poor English coaches is more of a problem IMO.

Sigh, of course this is indeed the correct answer. Just look at the number of coaches in Spain and Germany with UEFA coaching badges, and then look here. That will tell you all you need to know.

Let the FA sort out the grass roots problems, water and feed for ten years, allow to stand, then finally... Threaten to win trophies.

If you want to know why a nation with a population of 250,000 cam get to the quarter finals at the Euros, it is because they invested in coaches and grass roots facilities about ten years ago.

 

[beorhthelm]

It's the rules innit. Gotta have at least 8 "home grown players" (ie English) in every squad. If it wasn't for those rules we'd see entirely foreign squads.

we cant use that reason, people were saying British based players were more expensive for decades.

you're right it defintatly doesnt help on the cost front, but it doesnt explain why we cant expect to see all British squads from those that might be able to afford to pay more. where is the talent pool, why in the third most populated country in Europe do we have to import so many players? interesting to note the Germans and French have naturalised alot of foreign players, so maybe the problem there is greater than portrayed, and there maybe insights from that. is it as simple as the coaching, or are other deeper social issues part of the problem?

 

[seagull_in_malaysia]

I want to watch the best quality football. It is arbitrary to me what % of the team happens to be English.

 

[drew]

Tom Ince 5 Million

Knockaert - 2 ish million

British talent is extra, ironically partly because of the home grown rule

Poor example as Knockaert was an absolute steal and an exception. He is worth far more than £2m and we would want far more than £2m for him.

 

[Codner pharmaceuticals]

The things wrong are
1) the FA - how it is run and manages football in this country
2) the system yesterday was like watching us under Hyppia - ask two full backs to do everything and tell the other 9 to mill about aimlessly = no central strength and inability to get behind defences as no width

 

[drew]

It's the rules innit. Gotta have at least 8 "home grown players" (ie English) in every squad. If it wasn't for those rules we'd see entirely foreign squads.

http://www.epfl-europeanleagues.com/quota_for_Premier_League.htm

This came in in 2010 and created a demand for English players as most "home grown" players are of course English. We have started to see a trend though in "home grown" foreigners, where the big teams have been spending money on promising foreign youngsters. As long as the season where they turn 21 is the 3rd season playing for an FA registered club, they count as "home grown". Romelu Lukaku falls into this category for example.

Greg Dyke recognises this as a problem and is looking to change the rules................

http://www.thefa.com/news/thefa/201...ion-homegrown-players-work-permits-march-2015

If these rules go through you'll see an even more inflated market for English players.

Actually I've found an article that sums it all up nicely. It's actually from The Daily Hatred but explains it quite well..........

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/ar...gue-s-homegrown-quota-does-actually-work.html

Two things.
1) Greg Dyke is no longer chairman of the FA.
2) With Brexit, we may no longer be tied to EU rules about free movement of labour which could mean the FA/Premier League introducing rules to force clubs to have a certain number of 'homegrown' players in the team, not just the squad (although I doubt the PL will go for that as it reduces their marketability!)

 

[Mental Lental]

Greg Dyke is no longer chairman of the FA.

I wonder if the new guy will take up the mantle. He doesn't seem to have done much since getting the job in August.

 

[Wardy's twin]

There are two major issues for English football the sky money and how it has distorted everything and our coaching.

The sky money is not the root cause but has made things worse , lots more imports and little or no money going down to the roots where it could deliver.

Our coaching is all wrong (I am only judging it by the outcome) not enough focus on individual technique and those with flair are not allowed to show it i.e. positional play is deemed more important. It is interesting to see how Dunk is now much more 'expressive' in his play rather than playing square to across the backline. Clearly had the ability but looks to me that it was suppressed.

 

[Blues Rock DJ]

any team England put out to play are the 'leftovers' because players in the EPL in key positions are foreign. Solve the problem by playing under the banner of English Premier League.

 

[Surf's Up]

I would suggest it goes deeper than just young players getting game time in the top leagues.

The whole system of bringing youngsters through in this country is so out of whack from such a young age. You look at the 11 out on the pitch tonight, their control was poor, their passing mediocre (always playing the ball behind the player they were passing to or their first instinct was to look to pass backwards). Though Slovenia did very well to harrass and close us down, we had no one that could just put their foot on the ball and create the space that was needed to open them up, everything was rushed. We have very few intellectual footballers that can read the game, envision a defence splitting pass now. All that stems from what they're taught as youngsters. Until that's sorted out we'll always get talent coming through and the occasional genius talent like Gazza or Beckham, but we'll never compete with the major players in major tournaments.

I seem to remember a few years ago after another tournament failure by the England team that much was made of the fact that the number of coaches in this country was way behind many other countries, in particular Spain and France. This was identified as one of the main reasons why the talent wasn't coming through and the fact that our international team always blew it at international tournaments. Was anything done to rectify this?

 

[matbha]

I thought that 2 years ago

Met him the other day not an ounce of fat on him seems to get better with age

 

[Giraffe]

I blame the money. Playing for England is a status symbol, players don't see it in the way they used to.

Also worth saying that England success at major tournaments is very limited. 1966 aside, only 1990 stands out as an achievement. 1996 Euros was good, but a semi in your home tournament is the least you should expect.

You look back and we have disapppointed time and time again for many many years long before too many foreigners came into the game.

The Premiership is over rated in my view and isn't half as good as people/Sky say it is.

As a result we are bouncing around as one of the best 12 teams in the Europe which is about right. Hard to win tournaments from that position. The English players that play for Premiership teams and look great for their Club are often heavily supported by great foreign players. As a result when they turn up for England without that support they look very average.

 

[Mo Gosfield]

The system is wrong and misguided from the youngest age groups upwards. It needs a complete change of mindset. Competitive football for youngsters from the age of 6 is totally and utterly wrong. By the time they reach 21, they have been playing for 15 years!!! Absolute madness. Kids don't start developing real core strength until they reach senior school. To watch youngsters toddling after a ball like headless chickens, with coaches and parents baying at them from the sidelines, is an obscenity.
The system is being forced on the kids too early. They are not ready. They have no physical or mental maturity. Between the ages of 6-11, kids just want to have fun, run free and express themselves. Parents and coaches mistakenly believe that the kids enjoy organised football from a young age. Wrong. They enjoy disorganised football. Forget all this bollocks about formations and strategy and workrate. Its all utter, misguided nonsense.
Kids have to learn to love the game, not have it thrust down their throats. They have to have time to gain confidence and develop and eventually master skills. They shouldn't play with a full sized ball until 11 years of age. There should be no organised football until 9 years old. Then they should be playing six a side, on a reduced pitch, with a small ball. Then you will start seeing young men with a hunger for the game. Then you will start seeing close ball control, good first touch and even ( God forbid ) dribbling skills re-emerging amongst our home-grown players.
We have a generation of athletic footballers in this country, desperate to show off their tricks but lacking a mastery of basic skills. When you see a painfully one-footed, vastly over-hyped England player trying to spin 360 degrees around an opponent, on the edge of the box, when a teammate was unmarked outside him, you know that something is wrong in our game. When corner after corner fails to beat the first man. When pass after pass is inaccurate, cross after cross inaccurate, first touch after first touch poor, you know something is inherently wrong.
It can be fixed but its going to be a hell of a job trying to persuade parents and coaches, that, despite all they are doing at the moment, we are not heading in the right direction. The gameplan has to be abandoned and the interest of the kids and the future of our football has to be put first. Many parents will argue that their kids love playing organised football at 6 and 7 and 8 and don't want to give it up. Fine. If thats what they want to do, carry on regardless and watch English footballers, for years to come, continue to fail to play to a standard that will excite and re-invigorate the country.

 

[drew]

The system is wrong and misguided from the youngest age groups upwards. It needs a complete change of mindset. Competitive football for youngsters from the age of 6 is totally and utterly wrong. By the time they reach 21, they have been playing for 15 years!!! Absolute madness. Kids don't start developing real core strength until they reach senior school. To watch youngsters toddling after a ball like headless chickens, with coaches and parents baying at them from the sidelines, is an obscenity.
The system is being forced on the kids too early. They are not ready. They have no physical or mental maturity. Between the ages of 6-11, kids just want to have fun, run free and express themselves. Parents and coaches mistakenly believe that the kids enjoy organised football from a young age. Wrong. They enjoy disorganised football. Forget all this bollocks about formations and strategy and workrate. Its all utter, misguided nonsense.
Kids have to learn to love the game, not have it thrust down their throats. They have to have time to gain confidence and develop and eventually master skills. They shouldn't play with a full sized ball until 11 years of age. There should be no organised football until 9 years old. Then they should be playing six a side, on a reduced pitch, with a small ball. Then you will start seeing young men with a hunger for the game. Then you will start seeing close ball control, good first touch and even ( God forbid ) dribbling skills re-emerging amongst our home-grown players.
We have a generation of athletic footballers in this country, desperate to show off their tricks but lacking a mastery of basic skills. When you see a painfully one-footed, vastly over-hyped England player trying to spin 360 degrees around an opponent, on the edge of the box, when a teammate was unmarked outside him, you know that something is wrong in our game. When corner after corner fails to beat the first man. When pass after pass is inaccurate, cross after cross inaccurate, first touch after first touch poor, you know something is inherently wrong.
It can be fixed but its going to be a hell of a job trying to persuade parents and coaches, that, despite all they are doing at the moment, we are not heading in the right direction. The gameplan has to be abandoned and the interest of the kids and the future of our football has to be put first. Many parents will argue that their kids love playing organised football at 6 and 7 and 8 and don't want to give it up. Fine. If thats what they want to do, carry on regardless and watch English footballers, for years to come, continue to fail to play to a standard that will excite and re-invigorate the country.

I'm guessing from your comments that you're not involved at all in youth football and all you are doing is regurgitating what you have read elsewhere!

 

[chaileyjem]

T Between the ages of 6-11, kids just want to have fun, run free and express themselves. Parents and coaches mistakenly believe that the kids enjoy organised football from a young age. Wrong. They enjoy disorganised football.

They shouldn't play with a full sized ball until 11 years of age. There should be no organised football until 9 years old. Then they should be playing six a side, on a reduced pitch, with a small ball. Then you will start seeing young men with a hunger for the game. Then you will start seeing close ball control, good first touch and even ( God forbid ) dribbling skills re-emerging amongst our home-grown players.
It can be fixed but its going to be a hell of a job trying to persuade parents and coaches, that, despite all they are doing at the moment, we are not heading in the right direction.

Since 2013/14, FA youth football was re-organised on this basis. And many of these ideas were in place before that.
http://www.thefa.com/my-football/player/youth-football/youth-development-review
Different sized goals reflecting the size of players, players playing 7v7, 9v9 and not 11v11 until the age of 13, no organised leagues recording points won until the age of u12s, retreating to the halfway line for goal kicks, roll-ins, . Players don't regularly play with full sized balls (ie: size 5) until at least u14s , some leagues prefer it being u15s. Young kids play with size 3s and size 4s for u8s through u13s.. IMO All sensible changes designed to encourage the development of kids football, improve enjoyment and support more touches as you argue above.
Of course not all parents like such change...or newspapers come to that
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldren-s-matches-case-upsets-losing-teams.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ophies-children-bid-combat-pushy-parents.html

 

[drew]

Since 2013/14, FA youth football was re-organised on this basis. And many of these ideas were in place before that.
http://www.thefa.com/my-football/player/youth-football/youth-development-review
Different sized goals reflecting the size of players, players playing 7v7, 9v9 and not 11v11 until the age of 13, no organised leagues recording points won until the age of u12s, retreating to the halfway line for goal kicks, roll-ins, . Players don't regularly play with full sized balls (ie: size 5) until at least u14s , some leagues prefer it being u15s with size 3s and size 4s for u8s through u13s.. All sensible changes designed to encourage the development of kids football, improve enjoyment and support more touches.
Of course not all parents like such sensible change...or newspapers come to that
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ldren-s-matches-case-upsets-losing-teams.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ophies-children-bid-combat-pushy-parents.html

Exactly, hence my comment that Mo knows nothing about youth football!!!

 

[Brighton Mod]

Is our plight not symptomatic of the leadership and governorship of the game. £19m to bid for the World Cup and no one bats an eyelid, the consecutive appointment of poor manager/coaches of the national team, a clearly failing coaching initiative which sees little success and a failure to sort out discipline on the pitch. Are supposed to believe that the FA is run in any different a way from FIFA, except on a smaller scale, part time chairmen,directors unable to devote their total work time to the game and we wonder why this trickles down to the grass roots of our game. 25% less organised football at grass roots level, the reduction of staff administrating the womens game, despite their press releases to the contrary and an organisation that at its last released accounts of 2014 made less than a £5m profit on a turnover of £300m. We need to look beyond the pitch to see why we are failing,its going to be a long way back. Why have the last three managers not played Jamie Vardy, a fast, skilful player able to outwit two lines of four with his pace, who runs at players and creates gaps not just for himself but for others?

 

[drew]

Is our plight not symptomatic of the leadership and governorship of the game. £19m to bid for the World Cup and no one bats an eyelid, the consecutive appointment of poor manager/coaches of the national team, a clearly failing coaching initiative which sees little success and a failure to sort out discipline on the pitch. Are supposed to believe that the FA is run in any different a way from FIFA, except on a smaller scale, part time chairmen,directors unable to devote their total work time to the game and we wonder why this trickles down to the grass roots of our game. 25% less organised football at grass roots level, the reduction of staff administrating the womens game, despite their press releases to the contrary and an organisation that at its last released accounts of 2014 made less than a £5m profit on a turnover of £300m. We need to look beyond the pitch to see why we are failing,its going to be a long way back. Why have the last three managers not played Jamie Vardy, a fast, skilful player able to outwit two lines of four with his pace, who runs at players and creates gaps not just for himself but for others?

To be fair to the FA, they are non-profit making organisation and they pump £100m into football each year. As for the women's game, I agree there is very little that is being done to capitalize on the world cup achievements but it doesn't help that there is a re-aligning of the women's football season to a winter sport so there is a lull in proper competition.