Guiseley v Braintree controversy

[Lady Whistledown]

Happened in a Doncaster Rovers game either this season or last. Referee suggested one team then let the other side walk one in. They did.

 

[Coldeanseagull]

Goal, not very sporting but if some players weren't such big pansies wasting time when they get dirt on their flash boots, I'd probably have a different view

 

[Neil]

if someone kicks it out have a drop ball.
that would stop it

 

[m20gull]

Quick look at rule 12 suggests that the ref has the simple power to caution the "goal scorer" for unsporting behaviour, he can then award an indirect free kick. No goal.

 

[Guinness Boy]

I'm pretty sure that when I first started watching the Albion (late 1980s), it was comparatively rare for the ball to be put out of play because of an injury to a player. I remember, because it was considered worthy of applause on the occasions when it did happen. Players would limp around if they got a knock, or hop off the touchline, until the next break in play. If one of them stayed down, it was usually because there was a genuinely serious injury.

Now, barely a game goes by without the ball being knocked out due to a player's apparent agony. It's all very sporting and noble, but you know damn well that 99 times out of a hundred, the injury is nothing more than a slight knock, upon which the physio's presence will have absolutely zero impact in any case. At least part of the issue now is that modern players make so much of every knock, every foul, or perceived foul, or even perfectly decent tackles that they're trying to con the officials over, that the poor referees have no chance of knowing whether it's nothing, or a broken leg. Players go down, the other team tentatively plays on, as though unsure of the etiquette, the crowd howls (if it's their player down) or boos (if it's the opposition), and eventually the team with the ball are shamed into putting it out. It happened at Bristol City on Tuesday.

The referee has the jurisdiction to stop a game at any time if he feels an injury is such that a player needs urgent attention (they generally do so automatically in the case of a head injury). Why not go back to letting the officials decide when to stop play? I'm not sure how you go about enforcing this, as players can put the ball out whenever they like, and it's at their opponents' discretion as to whether to return it. But it needs to happen. Too many times now, the game is spoilt, almost inevitably by the side winning by a narrow margin near the end of a match, by somebody going down at a convenient moment when his opponent has the ball in an advantageous position, and demanding the game to be stopped. Something that was once about good sportsmanship is these days being abused by cynical footballers, and has turned into yet another means of cheating opponents.

As a relatively new, soon to be qualified, under 9s coach I can tell you this isn't limited to the pros. A lot of kids have watched the pros do this and now they go down at the slightest touch if the other team is through, my own son included

In the pro and semi pro game it should be down to the ref and not the players as [MENTION=435]Stat Brother[/MENTION] says. But there needs to be a crackdown on simulation full stop because, if nine year olds are going down like this you always have to err on the side that they are injured for safeguarding reasons. Today's spoiled prima donnas who expect the ball to be kicked out for a hair strain are actually making the younger generation dishonest and the job even more difficult for grass roots coaches.

 

[darkwolf666]

Call me old fashioned, maybe unsporting but, if an opponent goes down apparently injured, I expect my team to press home the temporary numerical advantage rather than kick the ball out. Reason is you just don't know nowadays how much the opponent is hamming it up. But if the practice of putting the ball out stops, then I bet the number of players staying down will diminish too and overall improve the game. How do you stop it? Just make putting the ball out deliberately a bookable offence as play should be continuous.

I trust that's a joke right... right?

 

[Ravids]

Saw a video of something similar happen in the dutch league a few years ago. The player immediately held his hands up and they allowed the other team to walk the ball in, same really should have happened here although it's a bit of a grey area, I think everyone should just play to the whistle.

 

[Guinness Boy]

Call me old fashioned, maybe unsporting but, if an opponent goes down apparently injured, I expect my team to press home the temporary numerical advantage rather than kick the ball out. Reason is you just don't know nowadays how much the opponent is hamming it up. But if the practice of putting the ball out stops, then I bet the number of players staying down will diminish too and overall improve the game. How do you stop it? Just make putting the ball out deliberately a bookable offence as play should be continuous.

It should be up to the ref to stop it. He's qualified to.

I trust that's a joke right... right?

No, it's a perfectly sensible idea. Hand control back to the people who are responsible to judge. If it's a head injury / breathing issues then one of the four officials is perfectly qualified to call it. Same for a broken limb. Anything else press on.

 

[Stat Brother]

As a relatively new, soon to be qualified, under 9s coach I can tell you this isn't limited to the pros. A lot of kids have watched the pros do this and now they go down at the slightest touch if the other team is through, my own son included

In the pro and semi pro game it should be down to the ref and not the players as [MENTION=435]Stat Brother[/MENTION] says. But there needs to be a crackdown on simulation full stop because, if nine year olds are going down like this you always have to err on the side that they are injured for safeguarding reasons. Today's spoiled prima donnas who expect the ball to be kicked out for a hair strain are actually making the younger generation dishonest and the job even more difficult for grass roots coaches.

The best player in Jnr's under 11's team can't stand up if another child touches him.
He'll then sit there appealing, arms outstretched, to the referee.
This happens about 5 times a game, I can't stand near his father because I think my head will explode.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

As a relatively new, soon to be qualified, under 9s coach I can tell you this isn't limited to the pros. A lot of kids have watched the pros do this and now they go down at the slightest touch if the other team is through, my own son included

In the pro and semi pro game it should be down to the ref and not the players as [MENTION=435]Stat Brother[/MENTION] says. But there needs to be a crackdown on simulation full stop because, if nine year olds are going down like this you always have to err on the side that they are injured for safeguarding reasons. Today's spoiled prima donnas who expect the ball to be kicked out for a hair strain are actually making the younger generation dishonest and the job even more difficult for grass roots coaches.

The thing is, these players get defended constantly on TV for their irritating actions. "He's made the most of it, but there is contact, so he's entitled to go down", and so on. No, no he's not! He's cheating! The problem with having panels entirely comprised of ex-pros is that none of them will ever describe a fellow footballer as a cheat.

Players go out of their way to put their leg into an opponent, even if the opponent is clearly trying to pull out of a challenge, or go down at the slightest hint of a nudge. It's embarrassing.

 

[Wrong-Direction]

Could of been sorted in 5 seconds

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

Never ever kick the ball out of play, and never ever give the ball back if the other tarts kick the ball out of play. There is a referee. You play to the whistle. End of story.

 

[Everest]

It looked a foul throw anyway by the throwing action.

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Call me old fashioned, maybe unsporting but, if an opponent goes down apparently injured, I expect my team to press home the temporary numerical advantage rather than kick the ball out. Reason is you just don't know nowadays how much the opponent is hamming it up. But if the practice of putting the ball out stops, then I bet the number of players staying down will diminish too and overall improve the game. How do you stop it? Just make putting the ball out deliberately a bookable offence as play should be continuous.

I trust that's a joke right... right?

You trust wrong.

 

[atfc village]

How i heard it was ,Braintree player injured on the floor they carried on attacking tried to score .The move broke down and they put the ball out ,Guiseley then scored .The Ref asked The Manager to allow a walk through goal and he refused.

 

[One Love]

You trust wrong.

Shall we see tonight how many players would be left on the pitch if every player who conceded a throw-in was booked?

 

[Shropshire Seagull]

Saw a video of something similar happen in the dutch league a few years ago. The player immediately held his hands up and they allowed the other team to walk the ball in, same really should have happened here although it's a bit of a grey area, I think everyone should just play to the whistle.

Something like this?

 

[darkwolf666]

You all appear to be forgetting the Arsenal vs Sheffield United FA Cup game from 1999, where Arsenal scored a goal in similar circumstances to beat United 2-1.

Realising his players' error Wenger offered a replay to United, which the FA sanctioned - Arsenal going on to win 2-1 again!

 

[Paul Reids Sock]

Something like this?

I would have refused to let them run through after the reaction of some of their players to something that was clearly a mistake. Think the keeper felt the same way!

It's all ridiculous though and ruined because people take advantage of it. There was one a couple of years ago (World Cup I think) where the player ran through and scored and the ref booked him for unsportsmanlike conduct. I am sure the opposition had been going down like flies for the last 10 minutes to stop an attack. I hate putting the ball out - obviously though I am the first to scream if someone doesn't do it against my team!

 

[Super Steve Earle]

Shall we see tonight how many players would be left on the pitch if every player who conceded a throw-in was booked?

I trust that you and darkwolf666 are just deliberately misunderstanding my point for comedic effect. I am obviously only referring to the specific scenario where a player is down injured and someone deliberately puts the ball out for a throw in to allow treatment. This is the scenario we are debating here, where the game is stopped unnaturally outside the rules of the game, with an expectation of a break in the flow of the game then a gentlemanly or ladylike return of the ball to the opposition. I am clearly not referring to the situation where a player puts the ball out for a throw in as part of the game. Just a bit of what might be described as 'Blue Sky thinking' or 'thinking outside the box'. I don't expect it to happen, but there is a precedent for a yellow card to influence player behaviour outside the flow of play and that's bookings for taking off a shirt to celebrate a goal.