[Albion] Gross goal offside?

[Mellotron]

Let's be honest, a lot of us feel uneasy with this because we just can't quite comprehend Gross being QUICK enough to be offside.

 

[Swimboy64]

Let's be honest, a lot of us feel uneasy with this because we just can't quite comprehend Gross being QUICK enough to be offside.

yes I thought how is Gross in that position the others are no where near it

 

[Seagull58]

This completely
That’s what the law always was
I think there really should be daylight surely

The law used to be that level was offside. Before it had to be 3 defenders, not 2. The law was also changed so that an attacker had to be interfering with play to be offside. It has changed several times in favour of the attacking player.

 

[Sid and the Sharknados]

The law used to be that level was offside. Before it had to be 3 defenders, not 2. The law was also changed so that an attacker had to be interfering with play to be offside. It has changed several times in favour of the attacking player.

I think we need to restore some balance.
Any part of a player found to be offside to be chopped off with LASERS.
That'll teach players to try and score "goals".

 

[Seagull58]

I think they got the lines right with the ball and his foot, and was just offside the way they interpret the rules these days.

That's the bigger issue in my eyes, the law / rules / whatever says that if the attacker is level with the last defender, he is onside. Under any reasonable definition Gross is level with the defender. As was Dunk at Everton, as was McGinn yesterday, as was the case in so many stupidly disallowed goals.

He's clearly not level with the defender though. His entire head and body is ahead of the defender. Only his trailing leg is level.

 

[Seagull58]

Unfortunately, GPS would be less accurate than VAR lines.

Currently the Galileo's positioning service, the High Accuracy Service (HAS) is now freely available to users around the globe. It targets a positioning accuracy better than 20 cm in the horizontal domain and 40 cm in the vertical domain, in nominal conditions of use.

20 cm is less accurate than half the width of a football boot.

What I would like to see is a body point standard - don't use a knee just because that happens to be the furthest outstretched limb. Should be something more central. Maybe belly buttons or similar?

Every player must wear a belly button piercing with a chip in it, or a Prince Albert.

 

[Hotchilidog]

I think the law should be changed sick of these marginal mm decisions stealing goals from the game. I think the attacker should actually be clear of the defender and ball to be offside. The law was put inlace to basically prevent goal-hanging with the speed of the game these days you get these small margin decisions decided by the frame rate of the technology that is used with no margin for error allowed.

The game is about goals and we should be giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker not the defender.

That said if we have the automated system next season I assume that means we get an instant decisions rather than wait three minutes for someone to suck the life out of a football stadium.

 

[Thunder Bolt]

I think the law should be changed sick of these marginal mm decisions stealing goals from the game. I think the attacker should actually be clear of the defender and ball to be offside. The law was put inlace to basically prevent goal-hanging with the speed of the game these days you get these small margin decisions decided by the frame rate of the technology that is used with no margin for error allowed.

The game is about goals and we should be giving the benefit of the doubt to the attacker not the defender.

That said if we have the automated system next season I assume that means we get an instant decisions rather than wait three minutes for someone to suck the life out of a football stadium.

I've said many a time, it is like VAR wants to disallow goals whereas we, as fans, go because we want to see goals. It is ruining the game for me.

 

[Swimboy64]

The law used to be that level was offside. Before it had to be 3 defenders, not 2. The law was also changed so that an attacker had to be interfering with play to be offside. It has changed several times in favour of the attacking player.

When was it that it had to be 3 defenders?
I never knew that one

 

[A1X]

I think we need to restore some balance.
Any part of a player found to be offside to be chopped off with LASERS.
That'll teach players to try and score "goals".

 

[Swimboy64]

When was it that it had to be 3 defenders?
I never knew that

The law used to be that level was offside. Before it had to be 3 defenders, not 2. The law was also changed so that an attacker had to be interfering with play to be offside. It has changed several times in favour of the attacking player.

changed it in 1925 to 2 defenders

 

[Robdinho]

Asking for 'daylight' between the players cant work with VAR as it currently operates, as you would need to have a camera exactly level with any incident.

Calling for a 60 second limit won't work for a number of reasons; some situations are very complex, so you'd need a different time limit for every different type of check (which would be contentious). It would open the door to accusations of delaying tactics by the VAR officials.

For me, where football went wrong, especially with offsides, is not having a defined "referees call" criteria. If they used thick lines, and the lines overlap at all, then it should go with the on field decision and, if its wrong, at least its an understable error. If they don't overlap then it's a clear decision with do reason for argument.

By pretending that the technology is infallible and offside is a clear cut decision, when it clearly isn't (for all the reasons already given in this thread), the authorities made a real rod for their own backs, and one they have great difficulty rowing back from. Hopefully the 'semi-automated' system will improve this, and with the added benefit of doing it all much more quickly, we will see.

 

[Mellotron]

Asking for 'daylight' between the players cant work with VAR as it currently operates, as you would need to have a camera exactly level with any incident.

I genuinely wonder if EVENTUALLY (maybe more like 20 years from now) there will be a fixed camera running alongside the throw-in line, that is fixed to run alongside the exact location of the ball at all times (up until it goes off at either end, obviously). That or a bullet time type situation with about 20 cameras along the side of the pitch which between them can triangulate exact position of ball.

Would be pretty crazy but seems like something that theoretically could work?

 

[Washie]

With the amount of money running through football, We could easily have technology running the full length of the field to make offside more accurate.

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

I genuinely wonder if EVENTUALLY (maybe more like 20 years from now) there will be a fixed camera running alongside the throw-in line, that is fixed to run alongside the exact location of the ball at all times (up until it goes off at either end, obviously). That or a bullet time type situation with about 20 cameras along the side of the pitch which between them can triangulate exact position of ball.

Would be pretty crazy but seems like something that theoretically could work?

Have you been smoking weed?

 

[Mellotron]

Have you been smoking weed?

I am on VERY little sleep atm.

 

[Perkino]

I think if a decision cannot be made within 60 second, it is not a clear and obvious error, and stick to the onfield decision.
Keeping fans waiting for 4 mins is ridiculous.

I agree with this completely, 60 seconds seems perfectly reasonable to alter the on field decision. If it takes any longer than a minute then it's not a clear and obvious error.

I'd like us to replicate Rugby, where the ref asks the TMO for reasons to not award his decision. Very quick and no interference without the ref requesting it

 

[Jeremiah]

Whatever happens with VAR if you are letting an individual draw lines on a screen and maybe them forgetting to notice a defender behind another defender * its worthless. Scrap it and go back to how it was together with it's flaws.

* Yes I am referring to Estupinan's "goal" at Palace - which still rankles along with us letting Newcastle win the Championship title !!!

 

[BluesRockDJ]

Not entirely sure it was offside. Yes his foot is beyond the villa defender BUT what is not clear and is not shown on VAR is the position of the ball when it was passed across. If it is ahead or level with Gross's foot then he is not offside.

T'was his knee, keep up !

 

[Seagull58]

I genuinely wonder if EVENTUALLY (maybe more like 20 years from now) there will be a fixed camera running alongside the throw-in line, that is fixed to run alongside the exact location of the ball at all times (up until it goes off at either end, obviously). That or a bullet time type situation with about 20 cameras along the side of the pitch which between them can triangulate exact position of ball.

Would be pretty crazy but seems like something that theoretically could work?

Much easier to put a sensor in the ball, as they did in the World Cup.