Green Gull
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https://www.football365.com/news/f365s-early-loser-brighton-and-their-poor-transfer-business
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[Albion] Great read, where do you stand on the subject?
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Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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Totally agree. The club's scattergun approach to recruitment has been an abject failure overall.
The Kid Frankie
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- Sep 5, 2012
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Hard to argue with stats/facts like that. However injuries must be taken into account.
It's an oversimplistic article. Izquierdo has been injured most of the season. Andone arrived injured and Murray was in decent form when he finally recovered. Then, as Murray declined, he managed to get himself banned for three games. Propper has been more or less ever present when fit, Montoya and Bruno have traded the shirt and are really horses for different courses given their respective strengths and weaknesses. Burn and Balogun were bought as back up. On their day Duffy and Dunk are one of the best pairings in the league and this was certainly the case pre-Christmas. Ditto the two keepers were always back up. A new signing at the start of last season (Gross) is keeping out a new signing from the start of this season (Bissouma) though I personally hope that's about to change.
There are areas where we have bought poorly. Locadia is just not good enough. Ali J has shown very little (though, again, there was an injury issue). These two have been a massive dissapointment so far. The constant selection of Bong in place of Bernardo is absolutely baffling. It makes zero sense to me.
The light at the end of the tunnel is that injuries and suspensions seem to be ending at about the same time (and the new one we picked up is Gross, out of form and hopefully replaced by Bissouma). We could go out on Saturday with genuine pace and excitement. Bissouma in the middle. Bernardo at LB. A front three of Andone, Knockaert and izquierdo (though, of course, March will predictably play instead). If we fail to use these sorts of players when the old guard are failing then the writer will have a point. But, right now, not only does the article ignore injuries, it ignores the fact that many of these signings were only ever signed as back up.
Knocky's Nose
Mon nez est retiré.
Decent article.
I can't help but imagine a big supercomputer in Tony Bloom's office chugging on stats all year, then coughing out the odd ticket "deli counter style" with a players name on it whom we need to buy...
CH nods, thinking "the more the merrier, it gives me options" - and Tony Bloom further thinks his algorithms are the way forward.
Unless you're spending £100m+ I doubt any player is a nailed-on success. There are so many variables, all happening at once. You can get very lucky, or very unlucky.
Getting the very best out of a player seems to be about man management these days (after you've identified they're clearly talented, of course) - so is CH doing that properly, or has he just been unlucky?
I can't help but imagine a big supercomputer in Tony Bloom's office chugging on stats all year, then coughing out the odd ticket "deli counter style" with a players name on it whom we need to buy...
CH nods, thinking "the more the merrier, it gives me options" - and Tony Bloom further thinks his algorithms are the way forward.
Unless you're spending £100m+ I doubt any player is a nailed-on success. There are so many variables, all happening at once. You can get very lucky, or very unlucky.
Getting the very best out of a player seems to be about man management these days (after you've identified they're clearly talented, of course) - so is CH doing that properly, or has he just been unlucky?
B-right-on
Living the dream
Hard to argue with it. Sums up my thoughts.
cant argue with any of that.
"...the failure to integrate new players despite having bought plenty of them leads us to one of two conclusions: either Brighton are identifying and purchasing good players but Hughton refuses to play them, or they are spending a lot of money buying players who are worse than the ones they already have."
Can't see TB allowing the former in the long run. I'm plumping for the latter.
To some extent we know this; the last summer recruitment window was more about increasing squad depth than improving the first 11 - and I think that if that was the goal, it has succeeded. However, the first 11 seems, on current form, to be only just about capable of keeping us up. At some point, we have to improve the first 11. Don't we?
Can't see TB allowing the former in the long run. I'm plumping for the latter.
To some extent we know this; the last summer recruitment window was more about increasing squad depth than improving the first 11 - and I think that if that was the goal, it has succeeded. However, the first 11 seems, on current form, to be only just about capable of keeping us up. At some point, we have to improve the first 11. Don't we?
This is the one thing I can't understand. Bong seems to be getting worse every time he plays. Some of his passing last night was absolutely woeful and I worry every time the opposition are attacking down his side.
Bernardo has looked very capable every time he's played.
B-right-on
Living the dream
Is that not the point. We are supposed to be improving the squad, not getting players as back up to what we have, if we want to kick on and be a mid table club
MattBackHome
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- Jul 7, 2003
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Yep precisely.
blue-shifted
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So when you break it down
Izquierdo = Been injured pretty much all season. First choice last season
Jahan = Been injured on International duty pretty much all season
Bernardo = Been first choice for approx. half the time he’s been fit
Locadia = Mostly been fit. Hasn’t shown he’s better than existing options
Bissouma = Has been fit. Most fans would have played him more than he has been playing
Burn, Balogun Button, Steele = Bought in as cover.
….. the article is statistically accurate, but from Bissouma and maybe Bernardo, for the most part misleading
Izquierdo = Been injured pretty much all season. First choice last season
Jahan = Been injured on International duty pretty much all season
Bernardo = Been first choice for approx. half the time he’s been fit
Locadia = Mostly been fit. Hasn’t shown he’s better than existing options
Bissouma = Has been fit. Most fans would have played him more than he has been playing
Burn, Balogun Button, Steele = Bought in as cover.
….. the article is statistically accurate, but from Bissouma and maybe Bernardo, for the most part misleading
oldboyroy
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Which suggests to me that our recruitment team are not as good as they should be
- Feb 22, 2014
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What a load of bollox!
"Where Brighton fans might have more of an issue is that they have completely failed to improve their squad this season, despite a huge number of recruits at considerable expense"
The squad is far superior to last season where we were lucky with injuries and suspensons. That luck ran out this season.
This is just shit stirring. Is he Palace?
"Where Brighton fans might have more of an issue is that they have completely failed to improve their squad this season, despite a huge number of recruits at considerable expense"
The squad is far superior to last season where we were lucky with injuries and suspensons. That luck ran out this season.
This is just shit stirring. Is he Palace?
Baldseagull
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Fails to take account of a few players like Tau, who went straight out on loan, Burn who was loaned back and has in effect only just come to us, Billy Arce, on loan, Mac Allister on loan, I doubt Hughton has met 3 of them and they are not here to be picked.
It makes no mention that 2 centre backs have been acquired that were not expected to displace the two established, two Keepers not expected to displace Matt Ryan.
As far as I am concerned, Suttner and Schelotto are the only two that have not worked out at all, and I am not quite sure why Schellotto hasn't, perhaps he failed the dickhead rule.
So 3 who we signed but not got here yet.
1 who has recently arrived.
4 that were expected to be cover from day 1 and not be put straight into the first team
2 that have not worked out.
I am not too perturbed by that, we had a good enough first 11 last season, but had a weak bench, now we are not too concerned if we have to swap a player round because the squad has been improved.
We have improved the squad massively, but perhaps not so much the starting 11 would be a fairer article, and I think if Andone had not been injured at the start and Ali J stayed fit, we would have seen more of them in the starting 11.
It makes no mention that 2 centre backs have been acquired that were not expected to displace the two established, two Keepers not expected to displace Matt Ryan.
As far as I am concerned, Suttner and Schelotto are the only two that have not worked out at all, and I am not quite sure why Schellotto hasn't, perhaps he failed the dickhead rule.
So 3 who we signed but not got here yet.
1 who has recently arrived.
4 that were expected to be cover from day 1 and not be put straight into the first team
2 that have not worked out.
I am not too perturbed by that, we had a good enough first 11 last season, but had a weak bench, now we are not too concerned if we have to swap a player round because the squad has been improved.
We have improved the squad massively, but perhaps not so much the starting 11 would be a fairer article, and I think if Andone had not been injured at the start and Ali J stayed fit, we would have seen more of them in the starting 11.
Miami Seagull
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In general agreement with the article. If Bissouma and Bernardo cant get a starting position on a frequent basis then I doubt many of the others who have been injured would have one either.
Tom Hark Preston Park
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- Jul 6, 2003
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None of these are what is required to upgrade to an established PL club. Winstanley OUT!
Baldseagull
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I assume you accept that the squad needs 4 centre backs and 3 Keepers, so good luck finding 2 better centre backs than Dunk and Duffy and 2 better keepers than Ryan, willing to relocate and play for Brighton on the low end of Premier League wages. As it happens, I think Burn is on a par with Dunk and Duffy, but not going to shift them easily.
Icy Gull
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- Jul 5, 2003
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I am happy with the way we are chugging along. We are in a bad run of results but we are playing better football which is leaving us open to conceding.Not scoring has been our biggest problem imo but we now have good cover in all positions, although the jury is still out on the quality of the forwards. IF we can stay up I think we'll kick on next season buying players to improve the squad rather than getting backups which we had to do imo.
Staying up is everything and I am starting to think that we will but we have made it very hard for ourselves and we could easily still go down if the improvement in results doesn't happen very quickly.
I never expected this season to be easy and we flattered to deceive early season.
Staying up is everything and I am starting to think that we will but we have made it very hard for ourselves and we could easily still go down if the improvement in results doesn't happen very quickly.
I never expected this season to be easy and we flattered to deceive early season.