Great Players do not make great managers

[Fourteenth Eye]

Following on from the Bryan Robson thread, I was thinking about how many great players go into management to be labelled the messiah( d'ya see what i did there) only to fall flat on their faces.

an example would be the most successessful england team of our generation

Peter Shilton - had a go at plymouth but was rubbish
Paul Parker - didnt bother
Stuart Pearce - Ok job at Man city, eng U21's & senior coach but hasnt set the world on fire

Des Walker - has he had a go ??
Terry Butcher - Journeyman manger but has never really had any success
Mark Wright - tainted by racial issues at various clubs
Bryan Robson - done ok but nothing special
David Platt - ditto
Chris Waddle - didnt bother
Paul Gascoigne - hahahaha
John Barnes- had a go at celtic but was rubbish
Gary Lineker - -had more sense

The only 'great' players that i can think of that have gone on to win anything have been german

 

[gjh1971]

Chris Waddle was boss at Burnley, but nearly took them into League 2.

Paul Parker has been boss at many non league clubs such as Chelmsford

 

[BensGrandad]

You missed the best examples the great Bobby Moore was manager of Oxford City the lowly non league team at the time rather than Oxford United who were in the FL.

Bobby Charlton at PNE
Mark Lawrenson at Oxford and Peterborough

 

[Fourteenth Eye]

Liam Brady @ celtic & here
Jimmy greaves @ Southend

 

[Fourteenth Eye]

Ossie ardiles everywhere

 

[The Large One]

How many of the current Premiership managers had glittering playing careers?

 

[Munkfish]

hughes? bruce?

 

[Theatre of Trees]

How many of the current Premiership managers had glittering playing careers?

Ferguson was a journeyman centre forward at Dunfermline and Falkirk and player regularly for Rangers' reserves
Wenger spent most his life as a French lower division player playing just 11 times for Monaco in the top flight
Redknapp was a non-international player for West Ham and Bournemouth
Jewell played lower division football with Wigan and Bradford amongst others
Steve Bruce was the only uncapped player in the early 1990s Man U squads
Moyes spent most his career in the lower divisions with Preston and Shrewsbury plus Dunfermline in Scotland.
Megson played most of his career with Sheffield Wednesday in the 80s
Hodgson briefly played for Palace before dropping first into non-league football then Scandinavian leagues
Benitez played in the Spanish second and third divisions but never the top flight
Eriksson never played higher than the Swedish second division
Curbishley journeyed between the old Divisions 1 and 2
Ramos played mostly Spanish second division football

O'Neill, McLeish, Southgate, Keane, Hughes, Keegan and Coppell were internationals

The only one I don't know anything about is Grant at Chelsea, but his predecessor only played at amateur level in Portugal.

 

[gjh1971]

Avram Grant never played professional football, and began his coaching career aged 18 in Israel

 

[NMH]

hughes? bruce?

Southgate? Keane?

 

[The Large One]

And out of that lot, O'Neill, Keane, Coppell and Keegan have been in one World Cup Finals squad. Southgate and McLeish have been in two. None with a huge impact - save possibly O'Neill.

Hardly glittering, is it?

 

[Timbo]

Neville Southall.

 

[bhanutz]

And out of that lot, O'Neill, Keane, Coppell and Keegan have been in one World Cup Finals squad. Southgate and McLeish have been in two. None with a huge impact - save possibly O'Neill.

Hardly glittering, is it?

Everyone knows what an opinionated idiot you are, but how can you brush Roy Keanes career off like that? come to mention it some of the others as well.

Keane captained arguably the biggest football club in the word. what a shit career that was.

 

[BensGrandad]

Roy Keane left the biggest club in the world to go back home because he was homesick and left Paul McCarthy to fend for himself.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

How about Franz Beckenbauer?

I can't recall what his club managerial career was like, but he was surely an outstanding player, who also managed West Germany to the World Cup.

Johan Cruyff was another brilliant player who made a success of it managerially. Don't think he managed Holland, but he did alright at Barcelona, well until they got bored anyway.

 

[Robdinho]

Paul Ince seems to be doing alright, although obviously it's way too early to judge. A lot of good players have threatened to become successful managers but have, for some reason, fallen away. Glenn Hoddle, John Gregory & Ruud Gullit come to mind.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Paul Ince, presumably (and unexpectedly?) appears to have a degree of humility about him though.

I can't see many of the existing England squad accepting a position as Macclesfield Town manager, can you? Maybe Gary Neville, but then again I'm sure someone like him will get offered a job at a higher placed club anyway.

I'm trying to think if there are any other recent England internationals who started their managerial careers right at the bottom of the league. Or is this an example of what Carlton Palmer recently referred to as the glass ceiling for black managers?

 

[Robdinho]

It occurred to me that, now that a player is basically set up for life when their playing career is over, will todays top flight players even bother going in to management? I struggle to think of any current England internationals who seem like management potential, with the possible exception of Gary Neville.

 

[Lady Whistledown]

Of another great England team:

Gordon Banks- managed Telford United

George Cohen- managed Tonbridge and Fulham's youth team

Jack Charlton- Manager of the Year while getting Middlesbrough promoted, also got Sheffield Wednesday promoted, resigned as Newcastle boss, but achieved relative success with Republic of Ireland side

Bobby Moore- brief spell in charge of Southend

Ray Wilson- caretaker manager of Bradford for a few games

Nobby Stiles- managed Preston, Vancouver Whitecaps, sacked as WBA boss

Alan Ball- relegated as manager with Portsmouth, Stoke and Man City, nearly relegated with Colchester, Portsmouth again, Southampton and Exeter. But perhaps I'm being harsh, he did drag Pompey up to the top division once, and was mainly battling away for teams with financial difficulties.

Bobby Charlton achieved nowt of note with Preston

Martin Peters- sacked after Sheffield United were relegated to Fourth Division

Geoff Hurst- sacked as Chelsea manager

Roger Hunt- never managed, ran a haulage company on his retirement as a player

 

[Zed Seagull]

Ferguson was a journeyman centre forward at Dunfermline and Falkirk and player regularly for Rangers' reserves
Wenger spent most his life as a French lower division player playing just 11 times for Monaco in the top flight
Redknapp was a non-international player for West Ham and Bournemouth
Jewell played lower division football with Wigan and Bradford amongst others
Steve Bruce was the only uncapped player in the early 1990s Man U squads
Moyes spent most his career in the lower divisions with Preston and Shrewsbury plus Dunfermline in Scotland.
Megson played most of his career with Sheffield Wednesday in the 80s
Hodgson briefly played for Palace before dropping first into non-league football then Scandinavian leagues
Benitez played in the Spanish second and third divisions but never the top flight
Eriksson never played higher than the Swedish second division
Curbishley journeyed between the old Divisions 1 and 2
Ramos played mostly Spanish second division football

O'Neill, McLeish, Southgate, Keane, Hughes, Keegan and Coppell were internationals

The only one I don't know anything about is Grant at Chelsea, but his predecessor only played at amateur level in Portugal.

Ferguson played 41 times for Rangers over 2 seasons and scored 25 goals. He was record transfer between 2 Scottish clubs when he joined Rangers. Bit more than just a journeyman.