[Football] Germany v Spain

[Icy Gull]

That was a rubbish game imo

 

[GT49er]

Yeah obviously very easy for you to respect a part of, geographically speaking, Spain wanting to be a British Overseas Territory but it really isn't that difficult understanding why Spain aren't too keen, similar to how I'm pretty sure you wouldn't be thrilled by some part of your island belonging to Spain or Russia or Sweden or whatever.

It's very easy to ignore stuff which is completely hypothetical too.

 

[Swansman]

You do read these posts selectively. Not sure I warm to the anti-English sentiment in your final line, I‘m sure you could find a better home for that than NSC.

I am also not sure I ever said I didn’t like Spain, I said I was struggling to support them In a football match ahead of Germany. And then I pointed out the hypocrisy re Ceuta/Melilla and the fact that Gibraltarians have been treated by Spain for centuries in a way that would not endear them to anyone. The population there is a melting pot of nationalities, Brits account for about 25% only I believe but it’s complicated. Your plans for them sound bizarre, we can’t just go round re-writing borders because one side aggressively wants it, and if you are as pro-peace as you claim you should know that. What should we do next, ask Putin which borders he disagrees with and then give him the green light?

On Gibraltar, incidentally, the Spanish themselves had expelled the original population from North Africa, who had arrived 500 years earlier, and held it for only around 250 years. A bit different to the Isle of Dogs. Before handing them back to Spain, this might be a good read?

https://www.un.org/dppa/decolonization/sites/www.un.org.dppa.decolonization/files/2019_2_nsgt_gibraltar_crs_2019_crp.7.pdf

Is it anti-English or just plain true that owning a third of the worlds land mass like you used to do is not entirely compatible with the idea that you very much respect sovereignity?

To me it makes a lot of sense that country borders, if we necessarily need to have them, should have some kind geographical basis - in which case Gibraltar belonging to Britain is just absurd. If 500k people from Spain suddenly moved to Brighton and wanted it to be Spanish, would you be fine with transferring it to Spain?

 

[zefarelly]

That was a rubbish game imo

There was something on tv in the background, but I've been listening to records and flicking through slides . . .as you do. . .

 

[Herr Tubthumper]

If 500k people from Spain suddenly moved to Brighton and wanted it to be Spanish, would you be fine with transferring it to Spain?

I won’t have any issue. When can this be arranged?

 

[dazzer6666]

I won’t have any issue. When can this be arranged?

Think of the tapas we could have

 

[Swansman]

That was a rubbish game imo

Think it was ok tbh. Not too many goal chances but a good midfield battle.

 

[amexer]

Do Germany qualify if they beat Costa Rica

 

[Icy Gull]

Think it was ok tbh. Not too many goal chances but a good midfield battle.

Fair enough but the excitement was minimal, I am only interested in being entertained, I wasn’t

 

[PeterT]

Is it anti-English or just plain true that owning a third of the worlds land mass like you used to do is not entirely compatible with the idea that you very much respect sovereignity?

To me it makes a lot of sense that country borders, if we necessarily need to have them, should have some kind geographical basis - in which case Gibraltar belonging to Britain is just absurd. If 500k people from Spain suddenly moved to Brighton and wanted it to be Spanish, would you be fine with transferring it to Spain?

Firstly it is British, not English. They are different. So maybe you are anti-British then? But then you obviously converse in English (another colonial relic, one you seem to like though) on an English football website so now I’m confused.

Secondly you can’t just re-write history as if it’s all happening now. What happened in terms of the Empire was a long time ago, the last few generations have unpicked a lot of that as you well know. GT49 answered you earlier on this.

It makes sense as you say on country borders but not if the population remaining have no desire for the change you are forcing on them. Your plans to change borders based purely on geography and not history are a bit naive. Both matter. Plenty of borders are disputed even when the countries join. Plenty of islands are disputed. Most of our former Empire has been give back independence or asked what it wants, there is no force involved but would be required if your mad professor plans were given sway.

Putin has his eyes on Gotland, because of its strategic position. And can find plenty of reasons to justify his claim. When he lands, I’ll note that as long as it makes some sense geographically it’s ok with you.

Pro-peace? I’ve just about stopped laughing.

 

[Bodian]

Surely he was offside when he took the ball off his teammate?

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he took the ball off his team mate, it wasn’t passed to him, you answered your own question

Nor was he in an offside position when his teammate last touched the ball anyway, and he was also behind the ball at the time. Much as I would love to see any German goal ruled out, I think we've got to let them have this one!

 

[Guinness Boy]

If 500k people from Spain suddenly moved to Brighton and wanted it to be Spanish, would you be fine with transferring it to Spain?

Only if they brought the weather, food and wine with them.

Which is why Swedish people can f*** right off.

 

[BN41Albion]

Only if they brought the weather, food and wine with them.

Which is why Swedish people can f*** right off.

Swedish women are more than welcome if you ask me

And Spanish summers.. no thanks... Spanish autumn and winters though - yes please

 

[Guinness Boy]

Swedish women are more than welcome if you ask me

True enough. The lack of EF rucksacks in town these days is just another post Brexit shit storm affecting our kids

 

[Swansman]

Firstly it is British, not English. They are different. So maybe you are anti-British then? But then you obviously converse in English (another colonial relic, one you seem to like though) on an English football website so now I’m confused.

Secondly you can’t just re-write history as if it’s all happening now. What happened in terms of the Empire was a long time ago, the last few generations have unpicked a lot of that as you well know. GT49 answered you earlier on this.

It makes sense as you say on country borders but not if the population remaining have no desire for the change you are forcing on them. Your plans to change borders based purely on geography and not history are a bit naive. Both matter. Plenty of borders are disputed even when the countries join. Plenty of islands are disputed. Most of our former Empire has been give back independence or asked what it wants, there is no force involved but would be required if your mad professor plans were given sway.

Putin has his eyes on Gotland, because of its strategic position. And can find plenty of reasons to justify his claim. When he lands, I’ll note that as long as it makes some sense geographically it’s ok with you.

Pro-peace? I’ve just about stopped laughing.

Anti-English, anti-British, anti-Swedish, anti-Russian, anti-American, anti-Chinese, anti-Polish... list goes on.

So what happened in terms of the Empire was a long time ago but borders should be based on history (which stretches over.. long time)?
I'm not really forcing any change - I just find it entirely reasonable that Spain wants Gibraltar to be Spanish, given the obvious geographical reasons. I don't hold it against them - which you do (at least when coupled to their attitude in Morocco, but then again same could be said for Morocco vs West Sahara and so forth; countries are often hypocrits in this regard), according to the first post on this thread.

For me the Gibraltarians can be whatever they like but as I said, I don't hold it against Spain that they'd like Gibraltar. Similarly I really wouldn't hold it against Poland or Lithuania if they wanted to have Kaliningrad. Exclaves, in the long term, tend to cause problems when relations between countries aren't the best.

Russia might have justifications to take Gotland... but we got justified reasons to take the entirety of Russia as the Rus people, and hence the name of their country, originated from Roslagen, which is a coast in Sweden.

 

[Stockholm Syndrome]

There appears to be som parts of Sweden that need to be given back to Denmark...

Treaty of Roskilde - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Swansman]

There appears to be som parts of Sweden that need to be given back to Denmark...

Treaty of Roskilde - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The faster the better

 

[Wardy's twin]

What a lot of nonsense to talk of these national boundaries which in a globalised world should mean little but people keep going back to like bickering children in the school yard. Why can't people just focus on the real issues , how to we feed 8 billion people through sustainable means and how do we reverse global warming.

 

[Easy 10]

What a lot of nonsense to talk of these national boundaries which in a globalised world should mean little but people keep going back to like bickering children in the school yard. Why can't people just focus on the real issues , how to we feed 8 billion people through sustainable means and how do we reverse global warming.

Or better still - talk about Germany v Spain in a cuffing World Cup thread.

Textbook NSC

 

[Eggman]

Germany would be 3 goals up if they had brought Pascal Gross