[Politics] German Jews warned not to wear kippas after rise in anti-Semitism

[Blue3]

You're.

Apologies I am quite new to this spelling lark

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Apologies I am quite new to this spelling lark

Sorry I hate spelling police, it just looked at me

 

[Bakero]

Being from the black country, as your monica says, I think you would know? I think you know when you are set upon by a few muslims, or Asians, or Africans, I think you have an inkling. Religious belief? Whatever the religion is, tend to be quite aggressive, history tells us so. I know you are trying to call me out, but you weren't there when my head was getting knocked about.

Did you just say Africans and Asians tend to be aggressive or did I misunderstand? I've had a few drinks so sorry if I did.

 

[Creaky]

Doesn't give a reason to hate them either, but my post of they aren't a minority in their own country still rings true.

So where is “their own country” in the case of German Jews, the Palestinian in Jerusalem, the African American in New York?

Your post rings far from “true”, rather it shouts prejudice.

 

[Sussex Nomad]

“Their own country” - it’s this sort of attitude that breeds the hatred being discussed.

Are you one of these snowflakes that if someone says 'your own country' makes you feel faint and offended. Seriously, you can say 'your own country' and not be racist.

 

[Blue3]

Must of been about 1993, me and couple of other friends where walking along Brighton beach at about 10pm. All of a sudden a large group of Asians turned up and just started hurling stones at us. Honestly thought that was it, someone was going get badly hurt here. I got hit in the hip, my friend got hit on the back and shoulder, we ran like hell to get out of there, there must have been about twenty of them. Never forgotten this incident to this day, but why would they start throwing stones?

Clearly they had run out of bullets.......... Is I suspect the first thought of a racist

Seriously that's terrible was it racially motivated in any way or just a group of thugs?

 

[Sussex Nomad]

Did you just say Africans and Asians tend to be aggressive or did I misunderstand? I've had a few drinks so sorry if I did.

Sorry I forgot to say white Europeans, my bad.

 

[Creaky]

Are you one of these snowflakes that if someone says 'your own country' makes you feel faint and offended. Seriously, you can say 'your own country' and not be racist.

It doesn’t make me feel either faint or offended - it makes me feel proud!

If anyone told me that this wasn’t my own country I would be offended and angry in exactly the same way that a German Jew, Israeli Palestinian or an American African has every right to feel offended when told by someone, based on their ethnic origin, that the place they live isn’t their own country.

 

[midnight_rendezvous]

I said what happened, I was in a muslim area and those that do drink were in the pub. I was 500 yards from my flat, think I had reason to be there. The barmaid, a white girl, took a shine to me, they didn't like it, really was that simple.

I have no reason to doubt your story and nor am I apportioning blame upon you. I’m merely interested in the need to mention their religious belief and wondered if you would feel the need to do so if they were Christian.

 

[Deleted member 22389]

Clearly they had run out of bullets.......... Is I suspect the first thought of a racist

Seriously that's terrible was it racially motivated in any way or just a group of thugs?

Three blokes walking along Brighton beach, I think they targeted us thinking we where Gay. It's the only explanation I have. I'm just bloody glad we got the hell out of there.

 

[Brovion]

Interesting spin there. What you don't read , but is almost certainly true, is that the vast majority of anti-Semitic attacks in Germany , as in the UK and France, are perpetrated not by racist... white... neo Nazis but by Muslim immigrants. Is it a surprise that Jew hating, holocaust denying Muslims arriving in their hundreds of thousands might take offence at observant jews wandering about?

Hmmm. A few years ago I worked with a woman who was a practising Jew (This was in Enfield). She used to wear a Star of David on a necklace, the same way as a lot of Catholics wear a crucifix. Then in the summer she stopped wearing it. Someone asked why, and she said she was getting so much anti-Semitic abuse just walking down the street that she was hiding her faith. She said in the winter when she was wearing a coat no one knew she was a Jew, but in the heat of the summer with just a blouse people could see her Star and reacted.

She said that the ONLY people who gave her abuse were white. Enfield is quite multi-cultural, and black people, and the Muslim shopkeepers, said nothing, but whites thought it was perfectly acceptable to hold her personally accountable for the actions of the Israeli state. She said that this had only happened recently, in previous years she had been able to display her faith without any persecution.

I'm not offering this story to counteract your claim btw, it is after all only one person's experience, but just to point out it's a multi-faceted issue. After all what's been responsible for the undoubted rise in British anti-Semitism? Some blame Brexit, some blame Muslims, some blame Corbyn's apparent tolerance of the undoubted anti-Semitism in the Labour party - it's probably a combination, I don't know. I do know though that is ****ing sad. And disgusting.

 

[Bakero]

Sorry I forgot to say white Europeans, my bad.

Some people tend to be aggressive or are you giving native Americans a pass?

 

[The Clamp]

Dark days ahead.

 

[Weststander]

Hmmm. A few years ago I worked with a woman who was a practising Jew (This was in Enfield). She used to wear a Star of David on a necklace, the same way as a lot of Catholics wear a crucifix. Then in the summer she stopped wearing it. Someone asked why, and she said she was getting so much anti-Semitic abuse just walking down the street that she was hiding her faith. She said in the winter when she was wearing a coat no one knew she was a Jew, but in the heat of the summer with just a blouse people could see her Star and reacted.

She said that the ONLY people who gave her abuse were white. Enfield is quite multi-cultural, and black people, and the Muslim shopkeepers, said nothing, but whites thought it was perfectly acceptable to hold her personally accountable for the actions of the Israeli state. She said that this had only happened recently, in previous years she had been able to display her faith without any persecution.

I'm not offering this story to counteract your claim btw, it is after all only one person's experience, but just to point out it's a multi-faceted issue. After all what's been responsible for the undoubted rise in British anti-Semitism? Some blame Brexit, some blame Muslims, some blame Corbyn's apparent tolerance of the undoubted anti-Semitism in the Labour party - it's probably a combination, I don't know. I do know though that is ****ing sad. And disgusting.

Good post. Many people of Jewish faith are against the actions of the right wing Israeli government, and no abuser would know her views.

There’s often hypocrisy from these one eyed bigots. Variously turning a blind eye to murderous regimes in Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, UAE, Iran ... if that inconveniently doesn’t fit in with their unintelligent geopolitics angle.

 

[Hampster Gull]

To our countries shame we are becoming a far less tolerant and welcoming society

 

[The Clamp]

To our countries shame we are becoming a far less tolerant and welcoming society

It’s genuinely shocking how quickly it’s happened too.

 

[Bry Nylon]

To our countries shame we are becoming a far less tolerant and welcoming society

Go and get ****ed.

It’s genuinely shocking how quickly it’s happened too.

...and you.

 

[Weststander]

It’s genuinely shocking how quickly it’s happened too.

The internet has given a platform to nationalists, anti semites, you name it. Gaining hitherto unlikely support.

My hope is that the rest of us, challenge the hate and win at the ballot box (past these virtually meaningless Euro elections).

 

[Brovion]

Good post. Many people of Jewish faith are against the actions of the right wing Israeli government, and no abuser would know her views.

There’s often hypocrisy from these one eyed bigots. Variously turning a blind eye to murderous regimes in Russia, Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, UAE, Iran ... if that inconveniently doesn’t fit in with their unintelligent geopolitics angle.

Yeah. She said that the abuse was always about Palestine and the actions of Israel; she was never accosted by demented Christians shouting "You killed Jesus!" As you say it was simply people unable to separate Judaism the faith from Israel the state.

I'm particularly sad about the rise of left-wing anti-Semitism. People try and justify the abuse by saying they're merely being 'anti-Zionist'; which is frankly on a par with saying "I'm not racist but ..." If someone has to qualify their view by saying they were simply being anti-Zionist, then 9 times out of 10 they probably were being anti-Semitic. Maybe unconsciously, or in the case of the abuse of my colleague, definitely not.

 

[Weststander]

Yeah. She said that the abuse was always about Palestine and the actions of Israel; she was never accosted by demented Christians shouting "You killed Jesus!" As you say it was simply people unable to separate Judaism the faith from Israel the state.

I'm particularly sad about the rise of left-wing anti-Semitism. People try and justify the abuse by saying they're merely being 'anti-Zionist'; which is frankly on a par with saying "I'm not racist but ..." If someone has to qualify their view by saying they were simply being anti-Zionist, then 9 times out of 10 they probably were being anti-Semitic. Maybe unconsciously, or in the case of the abuse of my colleague, definitely not.

I dismiss those left wing apologists on this. The hard left anti semites have referred to the Holocaust, the Rothschild ramblings, and even praised David Icke’s stance that Jews are aliens. Not hearsay ..... people have been thrown out of the Labour Party for this. Others are under investigation.

So surprising, I had always thought of anti semitism as the sole preserve of Nazi’s, skinheads, the KKK, etc. Jews have a strong tradition of socialism going back to the 19th century, from as far flung places as the Czar’s Russia and Victorian Britain.