[Politics] General Election 2024 - 4th July

[Frutos]

This debate and campaign are symptomatic of a bigger problem which all started with the Brexit campaign IMO - no-one is really arguing what is positive about their own side, only what they perceive is negative about the other side. It should be more "why you should vote for us" and less "why you shouldn't vote for them".

Starmer is right that Sunak saying so much is wrong and needs fixing is ludicrous when his party has been in power for 14 years. That said, Starmer needs to be clearer on what he/Labour would actually do.

 

[A1X]

Anybody else watching tonight? Seems like there's a very angry and loud man outside the auditorium.

I decided to watch the Euros game instead of the Tory’s last gasp.

A team which were successful in the mid-2010s but now have a few detestable old figures labouring on as panto villains and hated by basically everyone outside their hard core base, Portugal are currently 1-0 down.

 

[oldboyroy]

Sunak laying into Starmer in live debate.

 

[beorhthelm]

these debates are not dull, they are painful. i dislike both of them more everytime they are on. they trot out the same tired claims with nothing new.

 

[pb21]

This is a painful watch. Sunak sounds like a stuck record with his new don't surrender to Labour soundbite

 

[Frutos]

There is no way, even if the Tories win, that "all illegal migrants" will go to Rwanda.

It is simply not going to happen.

 

[beorhthelm]

This debate and campaign are symptomatic of a bigger problem which all started with the Brexit campaign IMO - no-one is really arguing what is positive about their own side, only what they perceive is negative about the other side. It should be more "why you should vote for us" and less "why shouldn't you vote for them".

Starmer is right that Sunak saying so much is wrong and needs fixing is ludicrous when his party has been in power for 14 years. That said, Starmer needs to be clearer on what he/Labour would actually do.

it would be simple rule, only talk about your policy, not the other's policy or what they might do.

 

[oldboyroy]

Sunak winning this hands down. Will it turn the tide and keep him in power?

 

[Frutos]

Sunak winning this hands down. Will it turn the tide and keep him in power?

No.

 

[oldboyroy]

This is a painful watch. Sunak sounds like a stuck record with his new don't surrender to Labour soundbite

Surrender is his favourite word isn't it

 

[Weststander]

This debate and campaign are symptomatic of a bigger problem which all started with the Brexit campaign IMO - no-one is really arguing what is positive about their own side, only what they perceive is negative about the other side. It should be more "why you should vote for us" and less "why you shouldn't vote for them".

Starmer is right that Sunak saying so much is wrong and needs fixing is ludicrous when his party has been in power for 14 years. That said, Starmer needs to be clearer on what he/Labour would actually do.

This entire election has been swerving questions on big, costed policy shifts, the IFS are almost mocking the whole lot including the Greens. The manifestos either don’t add up and/or they signal deviousness in not revealing (secretly known) major tax increases.

The media have been very much part of this ineptitude.

Instead it’s been an election of endless claims of moral superiority, betting and D-Day is talked about 100 fold more than housing, the junior doctors pay dispute, whilst stuff like mental health is a microscopic foot note. The polls, as in previous elections, now dominate over policy. Some democracies restrict them during elections for this reason.

 

[Jim in the West]

This is a painful watch. Sunak sounds like a stuck record with his new don't surrender to Labour soundbite

Is anyone (else) actually watching?

 

[jcdenton08]

Is anyone (else) actually watching?

Nope. The real debate is occurring on ITV between Ronaldo and the referee. The referee is winning.

 

[oldboyroy]

Is anyone (else) actually watching?

Yes, and laughing at it. The word surrender is popular

 

[Frutos]

"Are you two the best we've got?" - great question, and one which could apply on either side of the Atlantic.

 

[pb21]

Is anyone (else) actually watching?

I was, 15 minutes was much more than enough.

 

[Frutos]

Is there anything left that Sunak hasn't asked us not to surrender to the Labour Party?

 

[oldboyroy]

Starmer bouncing back and getting some applause

 

[oldboyroy]

Is there anything left that Sunak hasn't asked us not to surrender to the Labour Party?

Nope. Sunak may surrender himself next week!

 

[Blackadder]

Nigel can't accept that he wasn't invited.

Anybody else watching tonight? Seems like there's a very angry and loud man outside the auditorium.

Nigel can't accept that he wasn't invited.