He's either making up transfer rumours, or, " having a whale of a time, winding up lefties"
His words, not mine
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He's either making up transfer rumours, or, " having a whale of a time, winding up lefties"
His words, not mine
pastafarian
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Jesus when did you get so fussy as to sloppy seconds or what you eat as desert .
You dine at Wetherspoons ffs
Grombleton
Surrounded by <div>s
- Dec 31, 2011
- 7,356
There seems to be an assumption that the youth vote was solely on the promise of tuition fees. I'm not 'youth' anymore sadly (31) but i work with quite a lot of them and for many it is a factor, but by far the deciding reason - they understand the need to pay fees, though they feel it is far too high and would prefer something around the 3k p/a as it was a few years back.
The main reasons for them coming out were a genuine desire to not see the NHS carved up anymore, but also anger - that the old cronies of the Tories presume they can run the country and look after themselves and not give a toss about the young...they feel disenfranchised and worry about how they can earn a decent living and afford to move out, especially around here.
The youth are angry, and given what i've read from friends and articles, they're not gonna stop - they've become engaged in politics now.
The main reasons for them coming out were a genuine desire to not see the NHS carved up anymore, but also anger - that the old cronies of the Tories presume they can run the country and look after themselves and not give a toss about the young...they feel disenfranchised and worry about how they can earn a decent living and afford to move out, especially around here.
The youth are angry, and given what i've read from friends and articles, they're not gonna stop - they've become engaged in politics now.
tinycowboy
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Was this autocorrected "shabbiness", or a comment on the buses?
Theresa's Coalition of Crackpots.
Don't recall seeing any at all ! It's not just the parties though - I reckon 90% of what was showing up on my feed GE related was pro-Labour or at least anti-tory. I would think my FB 'friends' are pretty much an even split, so can deduce the blue ones remained very quiet relative to those on the left. I deliberately didn't comment on any political posts because I can't be arsed to get into online arguments about it, so I wasn't prompting posts from any side. Labour voters definitely more vocal/public, and clearly angry about NHS, police, tax evaders etc.
martin tyler
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- Jan 25, 2013
- 5,969
Call it what you like your just ranting off your opinion which I'll never agree with. I've not ranted about anyone in the doll. If people want to be on the doll or have to be on the doll due to circumstances in life then I don't have a problem with it. However if your not prepared to do a job you are offered then so be it, your choice live how you like but if you want a higher standard of living actually try and do something about it.
There are Old and infirmed people in society that need help and help should be given to those people and I've never had an issue with this. What we are taxed for.
The same old public spending argument that spins round and round. You can't spend what you don't have. We have been down this before. I prefer a stable economy rather than a boom bust cycle. I'm yet to see any credible argument about JC manifesto where he expected to magic the money from. Even with his tax schemes on business, which would potentially drive businesses away anyway which would damage the economy further and his super taxes ect ect he was still 5 billion short. Was he going to be another reckless leader who borrows cash we don't have to fund his idlogical society? Or has he got a mythical money tree somewhere.
As you mentioned your self employed for 35 years. Being the do gooder you clearly are I suppose your taxes are squky clean. You nnever some a cash in had job? Never written off an expense knowing it's prob not legit? Or are you someone like most self-employed people who tries to get their taxes down as low as possible for the best interests of himself and his family?
I'll gamble the latter. And if so your tbh nothing but a hypocrite.
Christ HT.......... the DUP......... what a time in British politics.
That piece has so many grammatical errors in it I suggest you read back your posts before offering them up to us unenlightened , self employed, tax dodgers. I do though apologise if you have a learning difficulty or dyslexia.
''Anyone in the doll'' ? ............ one of the best porn films of the 80's by the way.
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Iggle Piggle
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- Sep 3, 2010
- 5,987
I have a similar timeline albeit minus anyone that has posted inspiration messages, poems or encourages me to sign petitions for park benches in random places. I do, though, leave people who are clearly having marriage difficulties on there for the rubber necking factor even if it means I have to wade through some shite. I digress.
I'm surprised for instance that some of the ex forces people on my timeline weren't more vocal given Jezza's bonkers trident plan and historic speaches recommending armed forces cuts. Demographic? Shy Tory? Not sure what the answer is.
He would.
Machiavelli
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I suspect that the former may well have been a significant factor in the latter. And I really don't think it's selfish to vote against having c£50k worth of debt (plus probably as much, sometimes more, in interest) round their shoulders. It's about different visions for society, which is one of the primary factors which democracy is about.
spring hall convert
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So after saying 'I'm happy to vote for an evasive, incompetent, liar who can't get ideas across to people in order to get what I want,' extreme Brexit types are now saying 'Despite being defeated on her own measure of non-failure, I'm happy for the Government to be hijacked by a party of fundamentalist Christians still reeling from the fallout of a corruption scandal from this year.'
What would it take for a moment of reflection for these people?
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What would it take for a moment of reflection for these people?
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JC Footy Genius
Bringer of TRUTH
- Jun 9, 2015
- 10,568
Not selfish entirely understandable. The vision of not having a big debt hanging over you is certainly a compelling reason to get out to vote.
Ernest
Stupid IDIOT
Actually thinking about it he probably has
He wishes.
Curiously I've just noticed William Hill have settled and paid me out as Theresa May as the next PM.
The Betfair market, where I'd placed matching lays however is still open.
I now have the dilemma of cashing out now or leave it running. If Theresa May is ousted by the Tories I'll win big as both my back and lay will pay out.
The Betfair market, where I'd placed matching lays however is still open.
I now have the dilemma of cashing out now or leave it running. If Theresa May is ousted by the Tories I'll win big as both my back and lay will pay out.
Stato
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- Dec 21, 2011
- 7,382
It will be interesting to see what happens next in the Labour Party. Corbyn didn't win the election, but he proved that he can win seats. However, he is still 56 seats behind the Tories and 61+ seats off winning a majority.
There now seems to be a great opportunity for Labour to make the next step forward, but it needs a return to a big tent approach. That would seem possible if the right now stop trying to undermine and support Corbyn as a viable alternative, but it would also need Corbyn and Momentum to meet them part of the way. This doesn't necessarily require big changes to policy, but does need people to be grown up about compromise.
Momentum has to realise that to win over those who would worry about voting for Corbyn they are going to need people like Dan Jarvis, Stella Creasy, Jess Phillips; they are going to have to realise that centrist voters are going to be far more accepting of the same policies coming out of the mouth of a shadow home secretary if the person espousing them is Kier Starmer rather than Diane Abbott.
The right wing has to realise that the Blair years are not coming back, toe the new party line and work to elect a leader, even though they don't agree with him about everything. That is what those on the left had to do (with varying degrees of success) when Wilson was in charge.
Knowing the history of the Labour party, I don't expect it will happen. There is truth to the old cliche that the only thing that the only thing the Labour Party hates more than the Tories is the rest of the Labour Party, but if Jeremy Corbyn really wants a new type of politics, he has to reach out past internal disagreements and seek the support of those who could help him do it. He can now do this from a position of strength and the opportunity is not likely to come again soon.
There now seems to be a great opportunity for Labour to make the next step forward, but it needs a return to a big tent approach. That would seem possible if the right now stop trying to undermine and support Corbyn as a viable alternative, but it would also need Corbyn and Momentum to meet them part of the way. This doesn't necessarily require big changes to policy, but does need people to be grown up about compromise.
Momentum has to realise that to win over those who would worry about voting for Corbyn they are going to need people like Dan Jarvis, Stella Creasy, Jess Phillips; they are going to have to realise that centrist voters are going to be far more accepting of the same policies coming out of the mouth of a shadow home secretary if the person espousing them is Kier Starmer rather than Diane Abbott.
The right wing has to realise that the Blair years are not coming back, toe the new party line and work to elect a leader, even though they don't agree with him about everything. That is what those on the left had to do (with varying degrees of success) when Wilson was in charge.
Knowing the history of the Labour party, I don't expect it will happen. There is truth to the old cliche that the only thing that the only thing the Labour Party hates more than the Tories is the rest of the Labour Party, but if Jeremy Corbyn really wants a new type of politics, he has to reach out past internal disagreements and seek the support of those who could help him do it. He can now do this from a position of strength and the opportunity is not likely to come again soon.
TSB
Captain Hindsight
Nick Timothy gone.
Nigel Evans giving a brilliant interview on Sky. Fuming and full of bile
Nigel Evans giving a brilliant interview on Sky. Fuming and full of bile