Gaza / Israel

[Steve Foster]

Do not have any Western values, what the fcuk are you talking about? China, India, Thailand etc etc don't have any Western values, shall we murder them as well? "Hamas does not want peace" WRONG, Hamas don't want peace on Israels terms, and I don't blame them. Also, who suddenly made Obama God? Yes, Israel should defend their territory, and the Palestinians should be able to defend their own country.

You really are a nasty one-eyed apologist for muderers and invaders, I wish you would fcuk off from this board and take youre shit predictions threads with you.

...... How silly of me to run a Score Prediction of each Albion game, that gets more than a 1000 views for each match. I forgot. NSC shouldn't be about football?

As for Hamas:

Let’s say, in a display of equality and justice for all, tomorrow night Israel disposes of all its weapons, disbands its armed forces and takes down all security walls and check points.

Question 1.What would you & your supporters see as being the likely situation, say, one week from then?
Question 2. How long does it take to arrange 7 million stone settings?

 

[El Presidente]

Both sides have massive chips on their shoulders, it's just another example of the evil caused by religion.

 

[BadFish]

...... How silly of me to run a Score Prediction of each Albion game, that gets more than a 1000 views for each match. I forgot. NSC shouldn't be about football?

As for Hamas:

Let’s say, in a display of equality and justice for all, tomorrow night Israel disposes of all its weapons, disbands its armed forces and takes down all security walls and check points.

Question 1.What would you & your supporters see as being the likely situation, say, one week from then?
Question 2. How long does it take to arrange 7 million stone settings?

One would hope that by then all relevant parties would be deep in peace talks about how to move forward with a solution best for all parties. I personally would also hope that this would be the catalyst for Hamas to go back under the rock they crawled out from giving the Palestinian people the opportunity to decide their own fate without the need to turn to such a hideous organization.

 

[Woodchip]

Both sides have massive chips on their shoulders, it's just another example of the evil caused by religion.

This sums up the entire middle east perfectly.

 

[GNF on Tour]

...... How silly of me to run a Score Prediction of each Albion game, that gets more than a 1000 views for each match. I forgot. NSC shouldn't be about football?

As for Hamas:

Let’s say, in a display of equality and justice for all, tomorrow night Israel disposes of all its weapons, disbands its armed forces and takes down all security walls and check points.

Question 1.What would you & your supporters see as being the likely situation, say, one week from then?
Question 2. How long does it take to arrange 7 million stone settings?

Except that would not be equality, the Israeli's would have to give all the land back as well. I'm no Hamas supporter, I just despise bullying and injustice, and its the biggest irony of the last 100 years is that the Israeli's are the biggest mass murderers and bullies after the nazi's and Stalin.

Youre questions are too stupid to answer.

 

[Camicus]

One would hope that by then all relevant parties would be deep in peace talks about how to move forward with a solution best for all parties. I personally would also hope that this would be the catalyst for Hamas to go back under the rock they crawled out from giving the Palestinian people the opportunity to decide their own fate without the need to turn to such a hideous organization.

This gave me a genuine chortle. The only reason Hamas havnt turned Isreal to glass is because they lack the tec to do it.

 

[BadFish]

This gave me a genuine chortle. The only reason Hamas havnt turned Isreal to glass is because they lack the tec to do it.

mmmmm I am sure you will agree I was responding to a pretty stupid question and unlikely scenario.

I don't disagree with you here but the reason that Hamas have been allowed to get to the position they are in now is that Palestinians have no other option than to turn to them. The whole thing is a f***ing mess but as I have suggested throughout this thread it is a mess created mainly by the behavior of Israel. The solution is only possible if Israel begin to take the UN resolutions seriously, respect international law and stop behaving like a rogue state.

 

[Steve Foster]

Except that would not be equality, the Israeli's would have to give all the land back as well. I'm no Hamas supporter, I just despise bullying and injustice, and its the biggest irony of the last 100 years is that the Israeli's are the biggest mass murderers and bullies after the nazi's and Stalin.

Youre questions are too stupid to answer.

..... oh dear, here we go again with a bit of education:

The Arab extremist regimes in the Middle East have publicly pledged to wipe out Israel (having been trying to do so since 1948).

I do not recall Israel promising to wipe out Islamic states.

You seem to also ignore the fact that while under 9000 square miles of Israel houses about 7 million inhabitants (of whom over 20% are not even Jews), about 400 million Arabs live in 5 million square miles. So the population density in the tiny dot that is Israel is 10 times that in Arab lands.

Secondly, there is no such thing as “confiscated Palestinian land”. The West Bank belonged to Jordan, as a result of the armistice “Green” line border at the end of the 1948 war, in which 6 combined Arab countries attempted to wipe Israel, and her Jewish inhabitants, off the face of the Earth.

The West Bank only came under Israeli control during the 1967 war, when again Jordan combined with Egypt in hostilities against Israel. It was the Jordanians who lost the West Bank, not “Palestinians.” In fact, over the years large numbers of Palestinians were displaced or killed not by Israel but by Jordan.

 

[GNF on Tour]

Can't be bothered anymore, its clear for you that having a balanced view is just something that happens to other people. You are not quoting history, you are quoting an Israeli twisted view of history (it can't be yours because you clearly don't have the brain capacity to formulate your own views). You are akin to one of these insane creationist nutters that takes the bible as literal fact. Its been spelled out to you time and time again over the last few years but you are too pig ignorant to listen. You must be hell to live with.

In all seriuosness I would consider spending some time with a therapist or councillor, talk your blind faith issues through, learn to understand another point of view, it can't be fun being you and why live the rest of your so clearly fcked up, you still have time to learn a new path and be happy.

Bye.

 

[Soulman]

and a report from The Times of Israel

http://www.timesofisrael.com/palestinian-boy-reportedly-killed-by-israeli-fire-in-gaza/


Gaza boy reportedly killed by Israeli troops
Palestinian medical sources say 13-year-old died from machine gun fire
By Ilan Ben Zion November 8, 2012, 8:07 pm
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A 13-year-old Palestinian boy was reportedly killed by Israeli fire on Thursday in the southern Gaza Strip, Palestinian media reported. Some reports also claimed that three Palestinians were injured in the strike near Khan Younis.

The IDF said it was not aware of the incident and was investigating the report.

Hamid Younis Abu Daqqa was hit by “machine gun fire, either from Israeli helicopters or tanks” east of Khan Younis, the Palestinian Ma’an news agency quoted Gaza Health Ministry spokesman Ashraf al-Qidra saying.

He was pronounced dead at a Khan Younis hospital, the Wafa news agency reported.

Wafa also reported that four IDF bulldozers and six tanks pushed 400 meters into the Gaza Strip as part of the operation.

Earlier on Thursday, IDF soldiers exchanged fire with Palestinian terrorists from Gaza.

According to initial reports, a work crew came under fire near Kibbutz Nirim on the Gaza border and the soldiers returned fire.

Tanks and attack helicopters were dispatched to the scene and opened fire toward suspicious areas.

Quote: "Gaza boy reportedly killed by Israeli troops"
Yep, reportedly....
"Hamas Rockets Hit their Own Civilians Twice as Often as They Hit Israelis.
Sixty out of the 703 rockets Hamas fired during the four days of Operation Pillar of Defense fell inside the Gaza Strip on Palestinian civilians, PMO Spokesman said on Twitter on Saturday."
Hamas Rockets Hit their Own Civilians Twice as Often as They Hit Israelis

 

[Steve Foster]

Must Watch.......

Hamas Claims: True or False? (Part 2) - YouTube

 

[Soulman]

Quote: "Gaza boy reportedly killed by Israeli troops"
Oh yeah.... from the non bias BBC was it.
The BBC's Jon Donnison has been caught posting photos of Syria and passing them off as from Gaza.

Was it this boy then.....
BBCs Jon Donnison Tweets malicious fauxtography | BBC Watch

- - - Updated - - -

An apology eh............

 

[tezz79]

A f***ing terrorist organisation (hamas) get into power of the Palestinian people backed/funded & armed by a state (iran) known to be inhumane towards its own people & actively sponsoring terror groups elsewhere in the world & still people on this forum like to make excuses for the the fact that these arseholes who want anything but peace are firing rocket after rocket into Israel on a daily basis, I just have to laugh at you apologists on here.
Do you really think Hamas want peace ?
They do not ..... FACT !
If there was peace then Hamas know full well they wouldn't get the backing of the Palestinian people

 

[tezz79]

Quote: "Gaza boy reportedly killed by Israeli troops"
Oh yeah.... from the non bias BBC was it.
The BBC's Jon Donnison has been caught posting photos of Syria and passing them off as from Gaza.

Was it this boy then.....
BBCs Jon Donnison Tweets malicious fauxtography | BBC Watch

- - - Updated - - -

An apology eh............

Don't hear much about the children sent to border crossings to blow themselves up much either.
But then people on here would justify the fact they send their kids to their deaths by labelling them as "poor desperate people"
Well I don't care how desperate I f***ing was there's nothing that would come close to make me even thinking about such a thing for split second

 

[Soulman]

Do not have any Western values, what the fcuk are you talking about? China, India, Thailand etc etc don't have any Western values, shall we murder them as well? "Hamas does not want peace" WRONG, Hamas don't want peace on Israels terms, and I don't blame them. Also, who suddenly made Obama God? Yes, Israel should defend their territory, and the Palestinians should be able to defend their own country.

You really are a nasty one-eyed apologist for muderers and invaders, I wish you would fcuk off from this board and take youre shit predictions threads with you.

With respect to your opinion, although i feel that you should allow others theirs without stooping to insults.
Well, as iv'e already stated, go back before the last century, in fact a long time before, and the Jews were in Gaza before Muslim became a religion.
The extremists, in fact even the so called moderates of that ideology, seem to think they can settle/take over/install their backward ideology wherever they want.
Just look at the areas they settle in.... worldwide. Perhaps NZ have not witnessed this yet.
Places in Europe, Sweden, England, Denmark, Germany etc etc, all seem to be having problems eh. Hamas want the same for Gaza, and then slowly move on, with the backing of Iran, Egypt, Jordan etc.... they are just waiting.
You mentioned China, India, Thailand "don't have any western values, shall we murder them as well". Well in England and as far as i know, the rest of Europe, have no problems with Jews, Sikhs, Hindus or Buddhists.
Well India and Thailand certainly have trouble with Muslims, don't they.
In case you are not aware of the troubles in Southern Thailand, with Muslims wanting/settle/take over/install etc.... plus the butchering of Buddhists, children with their heads chopped off (footage can be supplied, it's grim) then maybe this link, from the weekend, might shed some light.
"The conflict has been ongoing for a decade between local Muslim militants, who want a separate state, and the Buddhist-dominated Thai army and paramilitary forces"
Oh, surprise surprise.... they want a "separate" state.........no integrating then...again.
More than 5,000 people have been killed, since the escalation of Islamist separatist insurgency in 2004 in Muslim-dominated southern provinces.

Two killed, more than a dozen injured after train ambush in southern Thailand.
Two killed, more than a dozen injured after train ambush in southern Thailand RT

Can you really put all the blame on Israel for wanting to protect their people.

 

[BadFish]

Quote: "Gaza boy reportedly killed by Israeli troops"
Oh yeah.... from the non bias BBC was it.
The BBC's Jon Donnison has been caught posting photos of Syria and passing them off as from Gaza.

Was it this boy then.....
BBCs Jon Donnison Tweets malicious fauxtography | BBC Watch

- - - Updated - - -

An apology eh............

I am guessing to that boy no. As of course you will know because when you read the story on the CNN link or The Israel Times one, you would have noticed there was no picture. Still good use of twitter!

 

[BadFish]

A f***ing terrorist organisation (hamas) get into power of the Palestinian people backed/funded & armed by a state (iran) known to be inhumane towards its own people & actively sponsoring terror groups elsewhere in the world & still people on this forum like to make excuses for the the fact that these arseholes who want anything but peace are firing rocket after rocket into Israel on a daily basis, I just have to laugh at you apologists on here.
Do you really think Hamas want peace ?
They do not ..... FACT !
If there was peace then Hamas know full well they wouldn't get the backing of the Palestinian people

I don't think there are many people who want Hamas involved in this, we all know what they were and possibly still are but they are involved and for what ever reason they are representing the Palestinian people. However it must be acknowledged that they have made some demands in order to stop their rockets (they are listed a couple fo pages back if you missed them). I don't think they are particularly outrageous mainly they are just asking Israel to adhere to international law. So how will Israel react to these demands? It will be interesting to see. It is my guess that they will ignore them because there is certainly one side in this fight who do not want it to , that side is Israel (oops nearly forgot FACT!).

So there is my reaction to your Hamas point now would you mind addressing something for me (no pressure, no one else on your side of the discussion has.)

How do you eact to the idea that Israel are the aggressors in this war because:

- Israel have ignored countless UN resolutions?
- Taken far more land than was agreed up when the country was divided in 1947?
- Built an Illegal wall
- Built Illegal checkpoints
- 1948 and 1967, a million Palestinians forced off their land and are still not able to return.
- They continue to control the movement of people and goods in and out of Gaza contrary to international law.

Ta

 

[BadFish]

Double bubble

 

[BadFish]

..... oh dear, here we go again with a bit of education:

The Arab extremist regimes in the Middle East have publicly pledged to wipe out Israel (having been trying to do so since 1948).

I do not recall Israel promising to wipe out Islamic states.

You seem to also ignore the fact that while under 9000 square miles of Israel houses about 7 million inhabitants (of whom over 20% are not even Jews), about 400 million Arabs live in 5 million square miles. So the population density in the tiny dot that is Israel is 10 times that in Arab lands.

Secondly, there is no such thing as “confiscated Palestinian land”. The West Bank belonged to Jordan, as a result of the armistice “Green” line border at the end of the 1948 war, in which 6 combined Arab countries attempted to wipe Israel, and her Jewish inhabitants, off the face of the Earth.

The West Bank only came under Israeli control during the 1967 war, when again Jordan combined with Egypt in hostilities against Israel. It was the Jordanians who lost the West Bank, not “Palestinians.” In fact, over the years large numbers of Palestinians were displaced or killed not by Israel but by Jordan.

Maybe you should widen your reading

"When we have settled the land, all the Arabs will be able to do about it will be to scurry around like drugged cockroaches in a bottle." Raphael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defence Forces, New York Times, 14 April 1983.

There was no such thing as Palestinians, they never existed." Golda Maier Israeli Prime Minister June 15, 1969

"How can we return the occupied territories? There is nobody to return them to." Golda Maier, March 8, 1969.

Ben Gurion also warned in 1948 : "We must do everything to insure they ( the Palestinians) never do return." Assuring his fellow Zionists that Palestinians will never come back to their homes. "The old will die and the young will forget."

"We declare openly that the Arabs have no right to settle on even one centimeter of Eretz Israel... Force is all they do or ever will understand. We shall use the ultimate force until the Palestinians come crawling to us on all fours." Rafael Eitan, Chief of Staff of the Israeli Defense Forces - Gad Becker, Yediot Ahronot 13 April 1983, New York Times 14 April 1983.

Shall I keep going?

 

[BadFish]

With respect to your opinion, although i feel that you should allow others theirs without stooping to insults.
Well, as iv'e already stated, go back before the last century, in fact a long time before, and the Jews were in Gaza before Muslim became a religion.
The extremists, in fact even the so called moderates of that ideology, seem to think they can settle/take over/install their backward ideology wherever they want.
Just look at the areas they settle in.... worldwide. Perhaps NZ have not witnessed this yet.
Places in Europe, Sweden, England, Denmark, Germany etc etc, all seem to be having problems eh. Hamas want the same for Gaza, and then slowly move on, with the backing of Iran, Egypt, Jordan etc.... they are just waiting.
You mentioned China, India, Thailand "don't have any western values, shall we murder them as well". Well in England and as far as i know, the rest of Europe, have no problems with Jews, Sikhs, Hindus or Buddhists.
Well India and Thailand certainly have trouble with Muslims, don't they.
In case you are not aware of the troubles in Southern Thailand, with Muslims wanting/settle/take over/install etc.... plus the butchering of Buddhists, children with their heads chopped off (footage can be supplied, it's grim) then maybe this link, from the weekend, might shed some light.
"The conflict has been ongoing for a decade between local Muslim militants, who want a separate state, and the Buddhist-dominated Thai army and paramilitary forces"
Oh, surprise surprise.... they want a "separate" state.........no integrating then...again.
More than 5,000 people have been killed, since the escalation of Islamist separatist insurgency in 2004 in Muslim-dominated southern provinces.

Two killed, more than a dozen injured after train ambush in southern Thailand.
Two killed, more than a dozen injured after train ambush in southern Thailand RT

Can you really put all the blame on Israel for wanting to protect their people.

So you are suggesting that The problems in Palestine are a part of the world wide issue of the Muslims trying to take over the world?