Gary Hart - Professional Footballer - Discuss

[Sergi Gotsmanov]

The trouble is , when you are on the wing you stand out a bloody mile if you have a shit game.

OGH gives his best every game and i can't believe people would slag him off.

OK if we go up we'll need a new midfield but we knew that already.
Get off Hartys back.
You'll look bloody stupid when he scores the goal that gets us promoted.

 

[Zebedee]

I tend to agree with DKM.
Like Kerry Mayo he has grown with us .... but is he out of his depth now?
But what are our options on the right?
We seems to have a midfield where only Chippy and Charlie are ever-present (and Charlie is limited in real ability).
Our so-called wide players: David Lee, Nathan Jones and Gary Hart are all found wanting.

We desperately need a decent winger. Is Stephen Hunt still under contract to Brentford? I'm sure he'd cut the mustard in Div 1 and crosses the ball very well.

Let's sign him up.

 

[Turkey]

...to play in a decent midfield you need to be able to retain possession.

David Lee retained possession very well at Sheffield Wednesday.

This is Second Division football. If you want a player who can attack, defend, tackle, pass to a decent standard you're better of watching The Premiership.

Someone said Jones didn't play well on Saturday but did 'set up the goal - is that enough?' Yes it is enough. So long as we have 11 players who'll run their arses off to win a game of football we'll be okay - Leon doesn't fit in but has that touch of class to get away with it. Hart and Jones are far from great football players but they're good at this level. Not only can they help the team as a hard working unit they can both be match winners. Hart and Jones have both helped us win games this year. That is all we can ask of them.

If think Gary has come across as a bit of his game for two reasons. 1) He broke his leg 2) The team. In the past we played the ball around on the deck with confidence. He could pick the ball up and not worry if he made a mistake. He had more support from others. Confidence basically. Now we play a different style. It's not sexy football. It's defend hard as a team and then look for that little bit extra to get us the points. Hart, Carpenter, Jones, Knight, Iwelumo provide that. We're doing well this season because we score goals. It sounds so bloody simple but thats the difference between the teams in this division. I watched Bournemouth Vs Wycombe on NFD and Wycombe played well but lacked people who could do that little extra to win a game.

Hart is very valuable to the team.

If we go up we'll have to change our style of football and therefore I think it's hard to judge how the current players would cope. I think Harty would be much better for it though. Whereas others may suffer.

 

[the full harris]

David Lee retained possession very well at Sheffield Wednesday.

This is Second Division football. If you want a player who can attack, defend, tackle, pass to a decent standard you're better of watching The Premiership.

Someone said Jones didn't play well on Saturday but did 'set up the goal - is that enough?' Yes it is enough. So long as we have 11 players who'll run their arses off to win a game of football we'll be okay - Leon doesn't fit in but has that touch of class to get away with it. Hart and Jones are far from great football players but they're good at this level. Not only can they help the team as a hard working unit they can both be match winners. Hart and Jones have both helped us win games this year. That is all we can ask of them.

If think Gary has come across as a bit of his game for two reasons. 1) He broke his leg 2) The team. In the past we played the ball around on the deck with confidence. He could pick the ball up and not worry if he made a mistake. He had more support from others. Confidence basically. Now we play a different style. It's not sexy football. It's defend hard as a team and then look for that little bit extra to get us the points. Hart, Carpenter, Jones, Knight, Iwelumo provide that. We're doing well this season because we score goals. It sounds so bloody simple but thats the difference between the teams in this division. I watched Bournemouth Vs Wycombe on NFD and Wycombe played well but lacked people who could do that little extra to win a game.

Hart is very valuable to the team.

If we go up we'll have to change our style of football and therefore I think it's hard to judge how the current players would cope. I think Harty would be much better for it though. Whereas others may suffer.

Good post, you talk a lot of sense mate.

 

[Dover]

Top post Turkey.

Gary Hart, Kerry Mayo and Charlie Ottway, must be a pleasure for a manager to have in a small squad. They play 100%, support the younger players in the team, and although they have seen mangers come and go they do not appear to have attitude.

Harty is a better player when the ball is played on the floor without doubt, and he is nearly always in mine and Krispies man of the match discussion after the game.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

dkm where does your footballing nous come from? as you must have some to be prepared to open up this debate?

I don't have to bend it like Beckham to have an opinion on his crossing ability.

I suppose footballing nous is part instinctive (Gazza had it - and he's not the brain of Britain), part watching the game (it would improve a lot of junior football if kids watched more live football) and part playing (knowing what works and what doesn't).

Of course some will think I haven't got any, which is fair enough. But I like to think I can see where players should move to, when to control and when to release etc. Well sometimes anyway.

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

David Lee retained possession very well at Sheffield Wednesday.

This is Second Division football. If you want a player who can attack, defend, tackle, pass to a decent standard you're better of watching The Premiership.

I'd have thought they were basic requirements from a professional midfield player even in Division Two. The difference in the premiership I'd have thought is doing it at pace.

I have nothing against Gary Hart, other than he does not seem to have put as much in at times this season as previous, and that is what his game is based on. Is it the comfort factor, is it his injury, is it the training, I don't know. But if he doesn't put it in then the deficiencies in his game are more apparent. And for me that includes his actual footballing skills.

 

[Gary Nelson]

I don't have to bend it like Beckham to have an opinion on his crossing ability.

I suppose footballing nous is part instinctive (Gazza had it - and he's not the brain of Britain), part watching the game (it would improve a lot of junior football if kids watched more live football) and part playing (knowing what works and what doesn't).

Of course some will think I haven't got any, which is fair enough. But I like to think I can see where players should move to, when to control and when to release etc. Well sometimes anyway.

Spot on. And not a bad player for an old guy.

 

[Pavilionaire]

Criticism and debate is all part of football Pavilionaire, regardless of what stage of the season we are at. As long as its considered opinions and not simply abuse, I don't see the harm in debating the players on here. Get behind the lads 100% when we're at the match of course, but its a bit daft to start saying that criticising players on here is in some way "off limits" just cos we're in the middle of a scrap for the playoffs.

I hardly think a players form is going to be affected one way or the other by anything he reads on an internet messageboard (if he's sad enough to come on here in the first place).

We'll have to agree to differ.

There's no part of me that wants to criticise the team at this stage of the season because even if the players don't read the board I'll still feel hypocritical having a go at someone like Harty, then cheering like mad if he scores the winner on Saturday.

The way I see it, the die is cast, these are the players we've got until the summer and I'm right behind them, even though any one of them could turn out to be hero or villain in the next few weeks.

 

[Turkey]

I'd have thought they were basic requirements from a professional midfield player even in Division Two. The difference in the premiership I'd have thought is doing it at pace.

I have nothing against Gary Hart, other than he does not seem to have put as much in at times this season as previous, and that is what his game is based on. Is it the comfort factor, is it his injury, is it the training, I don't know. But if he doesn't put it in then the deficiencies in his game are more apparent. And for me that includes his actual footballing skills.

You haven't argued anything in the second part of my post.

Someone said Jones didn't play well on Saturday but did 'set up the goal - is that enough?' Yes it is enough. So long as we have 11 players who'll run their arses off to win a game of football we'll be okay - Leon doesn't fit in but has that touch of class to get away with it. Hart and Jones are far from great football players but they're good at this level. Not only can they help the team as a hard working unit they can both be match winners. Hart and Jones have both helped us win games this year. That is all we can ask of them.

If think Gary has come across as a bit of his game for two reasons. 1) He broke his leg 2) The team. In the past we played the ball around on the deck with confidence. He could pick the ball up and not worry if he made a mistake. He had more support from others. Confidence basically. Now we play a different style. It's not sexy football. It's defend hard as a team and then look for that little bit extra to get us the points. Hart, Carpenter, Jones, Knight, Iwelumo provide that. We're doing well this season because we score goals. It sounds so bloody simple but thats the difference between the teams in this division. I watched Bournemouth Vs Wycombe on NFD and Wycombe played well but lacked people who could do that little extra to win a game.

Hart is very valuable to the team.

If we go up we'll have to change our style of football and therefore I think it's hard to judge how the current players would cope. I think Harty would be much better for it though. Whereas others may suffer.

 

[GUNTER]

What worries me about Hart is where has his electric pace gone? He's not that old! He's been beaten for pace by the full backs on countless occasions this season. His game was knock the ball down the line, get your head down and run like a bastard after it. 9/10 he would beat the defender to the ball too! These days he always gets beat!

That was before he broke his leg.

 

[twickers]

From a players perspective alot of pressure was off Hart when Bobby was either creating by giving balls to the feet in front of the net or simply banging them away like there was no tommorow.

Then came Leon whose pace is enough to make an 18 year old feel like a sloth. Couple that with the importance and need for a big framed strike partner for Leon and that leaves Hart out of the picture as far as a striker for Brighton, aside from back up.

Now I guess he'd be a happy man if in his heart, excuse the pun, he always saw himself as a wing man, but he's got to think about his future and if Brighton go up then better wing men can and will be found so that leaves Hart in a bit of a potential quandry. Neither one thing or another. If he's to think about his future outside of Brighton then it's probably as a striker, if it's with Brighton then it's a ?

 

[Dick Knights Mumm]

So Gary has been off his game, but he would play better amongst better players. You may be right. As long as he runs his arse off and helps us win occasional games you are happy. What is there to argue?

 

[Schrödinger's Toad]

We desperately need a decent winger. Is Stephen Hunt still under contract to Brentford? I'm sure he'd cut the mustard in Div 1 and crosses the ball very well.

Let's sign him up.

Quite right, he could be exactly the kind of player we need, we lack unpredictability to such an extent that the onus is all on Leon's shoulders to take people on and make things happen, any good team needs more than one sort of player like that, if only we'd signed him when it looked like we were going to

 

[Withdean Wanderer]

Apologies for the bounce, but just wanted Kinky to see that NSC is not immune to people slagging off OGH