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bhaexpress

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Jul 7, 2003
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Kent
Graduate denied post for being white

A university graduate was denied a council post because he is white.

Kieron Keenan was told he could not apply for a research post at Brighton Museum because he is not of African, Afro/Caribbean, Asian or Chinese descent.

Employer Brighton and Hove City Council applied part of the Race Relations Act to exclude white people from applying for the job in order to help fill quotas of ethnic minority employees.

The council set a target that 4.5 per cent of its 8,000 workers would be from ethnic minorities by the end of March 2006 but only achieved 3.6 per cent.

Mr Keenan, 23, said: "It's astonishing. In order to be seen to be less discriminatory towards ethnic groups the council has used a law which is blatantly discriminatory against another ethnic group.

"I am perfectly qualified to do the job but I am barred by the colour of my skin."

The Race Relations Act allows employers to exclude white people from jobs where there has been a perceived shortage of ethnic minority people in that type of work for 12 months.

Last month the council's cross-party equalities forum urged the authority to take urgent steps to improve the diversity of its workforce and improve the experiences of staff from minority groups.

The forum was set up last year following a report by the Brighton and Hove Racial Harassment Forum, which said institutional racism at the council was hindering its work in reducing racist incidents.

Mr Keenan, of Elizabeth Place, Lancing, was prevented from applying for a £9,000-a-year trainee museum assistant post. He had recently graduated with a history degree from University College Chichester.

Bert Williams, who runs Brighton and Hove Black History Project, said: "This is an easy way out for the council. It is panicking because it has been accused of being institutionally racist.

"Yes, the council must have a more representative workforce but this is not the way it should be doing it because it's another form of discrimination."

A Brighton and Hove City Council spokesman said the job was a traineeship offered under what employers call "positive action," where there are a shortage of ethnic minority workers.

He added: "It is lawful to offer training only for people from a certain racial group or to encourage people from that racial group to apply."

City council leader Simon Burgess said: "This is a way of us giving positive trainee work to someone in a group which is under-represented at the council which is different from barring certain types of races applying for a full time post."

Councillor Paul Elgood, chairman of the city's Equality Forum, said: "I have every sympathy for this applicant.

"The tragedy is that this kind of step has become necessary because of a long-term failing of the council to achieve a balanced workforce."

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Mind you, if this is a true story doesn't B & H Council have a case to answer ? This is a race realtions board case isn't ?
 




Da Man Clay

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Dec 16, 2004
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I would think so, If it happened to someone from an ethnic minortiy it would be all over the national press/
 




Easy 10

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Jul 5, 2003
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"The council set a target that 4.5 per cent of its 8,000 workers would be from ethnic minorities by the end of March 2006 but only achieved 3.6 per cent."

So out of 8,000 workers, the council want 360 to be of an ethnic minority. WHY ? Pointless tokenism at its finest. Instead of pandering to a bunch of hand-wringing do-gooding liberals obsessed with appearing oh so "right on" about employing ethnic minorities, how about having a simple policy of employing the best people for the job, regardless of race, creed or colour ? Or is that just too simple and obvious ?

Only in this country :nono:
 


Dick Knights Mumm

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Jul 5, 2003
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Easy 10 said:
how about having a simple policy of employing the best people for the job, regardless of race, creed or colour ? Or is that just too simple and obvious ?

Not only in this country. The issue is had that policy been in place in all walks of life then there would be a fairer distribution of jobs than there is now. But look at how minorities have been treated in the Police, say and Armed forces. And do you think our MP's reflect the make-up of this country's population ?

It is a tricky old issue.
 




Knotty

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Feb 5, 2004
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Canterbury
Easy 10 said:
"The council set a target that 4.5 per cent of its 8,000 workers would be from ethnic minorities by the end of March 2006 but only achieved 3.6 per cent."

So out of 8,000 workers, the council want 360 to be of an ethnic minority. WHY ? Pointless tokenism at its finest. Instead of pandering to a bunch of hand-wringing do-gooding liberals obsessed with appearing oh so "right on" about employing ethnic minorities, how about having a simple policy of employing the best people for the job, regardless of race, creed or colour ? Or is that just too simple and obvious ?

Only in this country :nono:

Agree with you totally Easy.

So are they saying they would rather emply someone who is less qualified for the job just to ensure the quota is achieved? Or will they simply not fill the vacancy until someone comes along who is equally qualified, but satisfies the quota requirements?

Either way what does it say about the service they are providing.....?

As you say, the only qualification should be that only the best people are employed. I couldn't care less if they were all black, or all Asian, or all women - as long as they were the best candidates.
 




Seagullible

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Jul 7, 2003
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Knotty said:
Agree with you totally Easy.

So are they saying they would rather emply someone who is less qualified for the job just to ensure the quota is achieved?


Which could lead to further issues. What happens if they employ someone from a minority to fill this quota despite him/her being less qualified. This person doen't perform and is then sacked. This perosn then sues for being scaked due to his/her colour rather than inability to do work. In the end, the best person for the job should get it - end of. This sort of policy only makes the race issue more obvious
 






Commander

Arrogant Prat
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Apr 28, 2004
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:nono: This country gets worse and worse every day. We are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
 


I agree with DKM. Its not a clear black and white issue (no pun intended, but used anyway)
Why is it that ethnic minorities are so badly represented in so many fields ?
Maybe sometimes we have to give people a lift if they are lagging behind through no fault of their own, especially if the fault lies in historical discrimination.
If councils etc are going to use positive discrimination then at the very least they have to make sure that the winning cadidate is good enough for the job, because if not, resentment and prejudice will increase.
Seems to me that if people are given the chance of a good education in the first place, then they find a way to succeed.
 




Billy the Fish

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Oct 18, 2005
17,594
Haywards Heath
Franks Wild Years said:
I agree with DKM. Its not a clear black and white issue (no pun intended, but used anyway)
Why is it that ethnic minorities are so badly represented in so many fields ?
Maybe sometimes we have to give people a lift if they are lagging behind through no fault of their own, especially if the fault lies in historical discrimination.
If councils etc are going to use positive discrimination then at the very least they have to make sure that the winning cadidate is good enough for the job, because if not, resentment and prejudice will increase.
Seems to me that if people are given the chance of a good education in the first place, then they find a way to succeed.
When will they learn. Nothing should be decided because of the colour of a persons skin (or class for that matter), a job, university place or whatever should always be given to the best applicant. The problem we have in this county is that most blacks/ethnics are still only on their 2nd or 3rd generation in this country and are still getting a foothold in society. The immigrants who came in the 50's were always going to be descriminated against because of attitudes at the time, this has a knock on effect to thier children. As the majority live in poor areas in the big cities they will have a poorer education than those outside. The government needs to tackle the problem at the source and sort out education and crime in the poorer areas and in 20 years there might be some people worth employing. But as always this government tackles then symptoms and not the cause.
 




Dick Knights Mumm

Take me Home Falmer Road
Jul 5, 2003
19,736
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Billy the Fish said:
When will they learn. Nothing should be decided because of the colour of a persons skin (or class for that matter), a job, university place or whatever should always be given to the best applicant.

If only.

Who decides the best applicant ? The applicant the interviewer most empathises with ?

And what is the best education ? Is it based solely on results ? or should it take into account wider experiences ?

There are more questions than answers on this.
 




Scotty Mac

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Jul 13, 2003
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what a joke:nono:
 






Superseagull

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Jul 8, 2003
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I can't believe someone with a History degree is applying for a £9K per year job in the first place! That must be no more than the minimum wage?
 




Man of Harveys

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Jul 9, 2003
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Brighton, UK
Commander said:
:nono: This country gets worse and worse every day. We are becoming the laughing stock of the world.
According to whom? Who in "the world" has described this country as that to you, or even implied it? And some dumb minor appointment at a provincial university would contribute to that? I honestly don't believe anyone can be stupid enough really to think that.

Shit trains, shit food, shit weather, a (rather groundless) superiority complex esp. when travelling abroad, petty crime/yobs - those things are well-known about the UK abroad. But Richard Littlejohn-type "they're taking all our jobs!" guff? Absolute drivel to think anyone associates this country with that.
 




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