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Fresh attempt to change UK time



The Large One

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Jul 7, 2003
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Moving clocks forward an hour in the UK would cut crime, boost tourism, improve health and reduce accidents, according to House of Commons research. The only drawback mentioned is the possibility that schoolchildren might not be able to get a good night's sleep if it stays light until 11pm in summer.

The House of Commons Library research comes ahead of an MPs' vote on Friday. Tory MP Tim Yeo's bill proposes clocks be moved forward an hour in England, initially for a three year trial. His Energy Saving (Daylight) Bill would lead to the time in England being brought into line with continental Europe. It would also give the powers for politicians in Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland to do likewise.

Winter would be one hour ahead of Greenwich Mean Time and summer time would be two hours ahead of GMT. This would mean it would get lighter an hour later than at present in the morning, and darker an hour later than at present in the evening. A trial from 1968-71 saw summer time maintained all year. It was not extended, but it did result in fewer road accidents. There have been a number of parliamentary attempts to move the clocks over the years, but they have all failed.

The Royal Society for the Prevention of Accidents is supporting the bill - which unlike the previous trial would move summer time forward an hour as well as the extra hour in winter. They say research showed there would be 450 fewer road deaths and serious injuries. Traditionally there has been opposition from the agricultural sector, but the National Farmers' Union says it supports the RoSPA's view.

The research paper says technology now means the issue of darker mornings was no longer as big an issue for farmers. Previous suggestions of moving the clocks forward have also been opposed by construction workers and postal workers especially. In Scotland there has also been opposition.

Mr Yeo said he wanted to introduce the bill to reduce road accidents and cut electricity consumption "and thereby address the threat to climate change by cutting carbon emissions". The Commons last debated lighter evenings in 2004 when Nigel Beard put forward a private member's bill, but it ran out of Parliamentary time.

The House of Commons Library research paper says lighter evenings would encourage higher activity levels and increase time for gardening - the most common outdoor leisure activity - and outdoor sports, while tourism would reap an extra £1bn in turnover.

In terms of business, a time change "would almost certainly increase communication with the rest of the EU since more of the working day would coincide", the research paper said. Portugal, which has the same time as the UK, tried moving forward for an hour to Central European Time, but abandoned the experiment after four years in 1996. The research paper says that in Portugal in summer the change meant it did not get dark until at least 2200, which the Portuguese said made it difficult for children to get to sleep, leading to repercussions with school performance. The school children also had to get up in complete darkness for longer periods of the year, the research paper said.

It quotes Lord Sainsbury, the then Parliamentary Under-Secretary of State for the Department of Trade and Industry, saying during a debate on an earlier attempt to move the clocks forward that in Portugal "it was concluded that the small energy savings could not justify the inconvenience the change created". He said the impact on school children became a big issue in Portugal, and contrary to expectations insurance companies in Portugal reported a rise in the number of accidents.

The second reading of Mr Yeo's bill is due to take place on Friday in the Commons. As a private member's bill it stands little chance of becoming law unless it is adopted by the government.

POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF BRITISH TIME CHANGE
Crime: Reduced
Road accidents: Reduced
Tourism: Increased
Leisure time: Increased
Health: Improved
Energy consumption: Minimal reduction
Children: Sleep problems increased
Source: House of Commons Library research paper
 
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Tom Hark Preston Park

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Jul 6, 2003
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The Large One said:

POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF BRITISH TIME CHANGE
Crime: Reduced
Road accidents: Reduced
Tourism: Increased
Leisure time: Increased
Health: Improved
Energy consumption: Minimal reduction
Children: Sleep problems increased
Source: House of Commons Library research paper

Meanwhile, back in the real world:

POTENTIAL EFFECTS OF BRITISH TIME CHANGE
Crime: Reduced - BOLLOCKS
Road accidents: Reduced - BOLLOCKS
Tourism: Increased - BOLLOCKS
Leisure time: Increased - MORE TIME DOWN THE PUB
Health: Improved - DETERIORATED (SEE ABOVE)
Energy consumption: Minimal reduction - OH WELL
Children: Sleep problems increased - WHATEVER
Source: House of Commons Library research paper - GET A JOB
 
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Robot Chicken

Seriously?
Jul 5, 2003
13,154
Chicken World
Hope it goes through. Lighter evenings in winter. About bloody time.
 






Robot Chicken

Seriously?
Jul 5, 2003
13,154
Chicken World
No, the rest of the world is in line with GMT. We would be one or two hours ahead of GMT.

Portugal and South Africa would still be on GMT.
 


Commander

Arrogant Prat
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Apr 28, 2004
13,558
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Sounds good to me.
 
















Gritt23

New member
Jul 7, 2003
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Meopham, Kent.
I never quite understand the idea of pushing for the clocks to change. Would it not be easier to petition your work or kids school to just shift their day forward an hour if this bothers anyone so much.

Why did we EVER change the clocks for the farmers, when they could have just change the time their alarm was set for?
 






Questions

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Oct 18, 2006
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The Large One said:
South Africa is already 2 hours ahead of London.


Actually they are not. They are thirty years behind.
 




seagullsovergrimsby

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Aug 21, 2005
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Only we call it GMT (Greenwich Mean Time) the rest of the world calls it UTC (Universal Time Clock).
 


McShane79

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Oct 20, 2005
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I don't like the idea of it being darker for an extra hour in the mornings during the winter period. It's bloody pitch black as it is when I go for my train.

GMT will basically not be used by any country then. Don't like it. I say keep it as it is.
 




seagullsovergrimsby

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Aug 21, 2005
43,943
Crap Town
Gritt23 said:
I never quite understand the idea of pushing for the clocks to change. Would it not be easier to petition your work or kids school to just shift their day forward an hour if this bothers anyone so much.

Why did we EVER change the clocks for the farmers, when they could have just change the time their alarm was set for?
The time changes to BST were done in World War One so that farmworkers could work longer into the evenings. What I want to know is that if we change for a 3 year trial period and it doesn't go ahead permanently what happens to the wages night shift workers lose at the changeover , will it be backdated ?
 


The Oldman

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Jul 12, 2003
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I remember the 68 - 71 trial. We all got fed up with dark mornings. Even in the South it was still dark at 9.00am on some winter days.
Natures time as defined by an Englishman is GMT. Stick with it.
To hell with the rest of the world. is nothing sacred? Flipping MP's. Wish they would look at the things that matter.

:glare:
 


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