[Misc] Fly tipping - it's rubbish

[Weststander]

One thing I would say is that enforcement isn't completely useless.
My mother in law got her collar felt by the old bill as someone found an envelope addressed to her in a load of fly-tipped rubbish.
It turned out that some of her domestic rubbish got mixed in with bits of an outbuilding she had paid to have knocked down and cleared away, which was subsequently fly-tipped. I don't know what the punishment was, but I do know that the 'builders' were prosecuted.
This was in Brighton.

I'm all for escalating fines / punishments, ending just short of the gallows.

Given the lack of funding, I'm not sure what services people would want to see cut in order to pay for tips that are free at point of use (it would be interesting to see if the cost saved by not having to clear up after the fly-tippers and not having the police investigate, court time etc etc would cover it)

I'd pay more in council tax if it was guaranteed to be dealt with.

 

[dazzer6666]

Is that on the south or north side of the dual carriageway?

North side going down the hill towards the 23/travelling East (alongside Waterhall)

 

[dazzer6666]

Hidden CCTV at regular dumping places has caught quite a few offenders in Kent, local TV news often covers this. Perpetrators are fined heavily, I think there've been prison sentences too.

We *might* be putting small device on a tree by our weirpool.......

 

[Reagulls]

At the back of my building we have a big set of metal gates to the yard where we keep the works vehicles overnight, I worked late one evening and walking round the to the back gates found a man in a beat up van holding an old fence panel and a pile dumped down by the gates, quick as a flash he said "hello mate, is it ok if I take some of these?"
...his van was still/already half full, "take the lot" I said, "someone's obviously dumped them there" he thanked me and continued loading/putting them back on his van.
my passing comment with more than a hint of sarcasm to him was "you know what will be interesting, looking at the CCTV in the morning to see who dumped them there"
we didn't have CCTV at the time but he wasn't to know that, the place was spotless in the morning

 

[Weststander]

We *might* be putting small device on a tree by our weirpool.......

Make it low enough to catch flat-bed number plates.

 

[Worried Man Blues]

Free council tip will only work if it's nearer to 'the job' than a quiet lane. All we can do is pick up after the morons.

 

[dazzer6666]

Make it low enough to catch flat-bed number plates.

It's in a bit of an awkward spot so we'll need to play around with it a bit I suspect

 

[Eric the meek]

This, a job I’m about to start I’ve had to price in 36 skips and I really don’t have the time to empty the van fill it with rubbish drive out to the sticks and dump it.
Proper tradesman don’t do this and don’t need to, we all know who the main culprits are.

I won't put you on the spot by asking who the main culprits are!

I didn't intend for anyone to feel they had to go on the defensive or blame a certain group in society. @Rowdey made the valid point that I had made the thread a 'tradesman' led issue. I apologise for that. Happy to stand corrected. Of course there will be household fly-tipping. It was just that my own experiences are of the trade waste variety.

My main concern is what we can do to stop the fly-tipping.

It might be useful if those in the building trade were to offer their suggestions on what might work.

 

[LamieRobertson]

Must remember to dump my hedge cuttings in the countryside to help the OP see more hedges

 

[Weststander]

North side going down the hill towards the 23/travelling East (alongside Waterhall)

What's happening here is two things:

ESCC/WSCC/Highways Agency have zero interest in clearing litter, waste, tyres from the verges in Sussex. Using the H&S excuse. Some other counties do it thoroughly, in a way that protects staff. Where you've said there is a giant aluminium ladder in the central reservation that's been there for years!

A non-pc thing, but just being honest. There's a travellers camp just east of there, the mess along their mini roadway next to the A27 eastbound beggars belief. Excreta, their trade wastes, plastic bags, old car parts. Nothing is done about it. Then some overseas truck drivers habitually dump excreta and piss in containers along our highways, it has been covered in some (non-Daily Mail) articles. It's a cultural thing, plus the UK does not have the regular loo stop lay-bys you see in France.

 

[dazzer6666]

What's happening here is two things:

ESCC/WSCC/Highways Agency have zero interest in clearing litter, waste, tyres from the verges in Sussex. Using the H&S excuse. Some other counties do it thoroughly, in a way that protects staff. Where you've said there is a giant aluminium ladder in the central reservation that's been there for years!

A non-pc thing, but just being honest. There's a travellers camp just east of there, the mess along their mini roadway next to the A27 eastbound beggars belief. Excreta, their trade wastes, plastic bags, old car parts. Nothing is done about it. Then some overseas truck drivers habitually dump excreta and piss in containers along our highways, it has been covered in some (non-Daily Mail) articles. It's a cultural thing, plus the UK does not have the regular loo stop lay-bys you see in France.

Possibly contributes - I quite regularly run on the downs directly past the camp (on the inner lane that leads to it then up the hill and cross-country on towards the Beacon) - there is rubbish everywhere. A lot of the stuff on the side of the 27 is fast food waste though lobbed out of car windows.

 

[Justice]

I won't put you on the spot by asking who the main culprits are!

I didn't intend for anyone to feel they had to go on the defensive or blame a certain group in society. @Rowdey made the valid point that I had made the thread a 'tradesman' led issue. I apologise for that. Happy to stand corrected. Of course there will be household fly-tipping. It was just that my own experiences are of the trade waste variety.

My main concern is what we can do to stop the fly-tipping.

It might be useful if those in the building trade were to offer their suggestions on what might work.

I won't put you on the spot by asking who the main culprits are!

I didn't intend for anyone to feel they had to go on the defensive or blame a certain group in society. @Rowdey made the valid point that I had made the thread a 'tradesman' led issue. I apologise for that. Happy to stand corrected. Of course there will be household fly-tipping. It was just that my own experiences are of the trade waste variety.

My main concern is what we can do to stop the fly-tipping.

It might be useful if those in the building trade were to offer their suggestions on what might work.

Tradesmen/women already have a range of options that work really well. The unscrupulous kind will not want to pay for the options and there lies the issue.

 

[keaton]

I'd pay more in council tax if it was guaranteed to be dealt with.

On the list of things id happily pay more council tax for making life easier for lazy people or dodgy tradesman isn't massively high

 

[The Antikythera Mechanism]

Recycle back to the nearest travellers site.

 

[Guy Fawkes]

It's not just van loads of waste which defaced the countryside, the amount of rubbish people throw out of their cars is disgusting, take it home and put it in your bin. Litter pickers cleaned up along a section of the A22 three weekends running, no sooner had they finished than rubbish reappeared. Once I was waiting to cross the road to take the dogs for a walk when a van drove past and the driver threw an empty beer bottle out his window, glass shattered across the road, complete moron.

Worst i've seen was when stuck in a queue of traffic on the A272, waiting for the temporary trafffic lights to change when someone in the passanger seat of a vehicle in front threw the rubbish from their Subway lunch out of the cab window, and into the hedge rather than take it around to the rear of the council owned refuse collection truck they were in !!

 

[Eric the meek]

Tradesmen/women already have a range of options that work really well. The unscrupulous kind will not want to pay for the options and there lies the issue.

Then what is your solution to fly-tipping?

 

[Weststander]

Possibly contributes - I quite regularly run on the downs directly past the camp (on the inner lane that leads to it then up the hill and cross-country on towards the Beacon) - there is rubbish everywhere. A lot of the stuff on the side of the 27 is fast food waste though lobbed out of car windows.

My secret pastime is litter picking, then separating it by recyclables and other. I've been doing it for ages, I thought it was just me . I just get on with it on bike rides or walks. From the South Downs and also in our city, I must collect 1,000's of bits a year.

Then I found out that during the pandemic 100,000's of Brits had started doing it too. Also Matt Baker promotes a scheme.

Love making a difference, far better for my soul than being annoyed about it.

 

[Weststander]

On the list of things id happily pay more council tax for making life easier for lazy people or dodgy tradesman isn't massively high

I love the planet, I'd help pay for solutions. Asbestos, oil, tyres and plastics being dumped in our heritage is a low.

This world and community is not just about human needs.

 

[keaton]

I love the planet, I'd help pay for solutions. Asbestos, oil, tyres and plastics being dumped in our heritage is a low.

This world and community is not just about human needs.

While I wholeheartedly support the sentiment I'm not sure it would achieve that much if we're talking about longer opening times and making it free for tradesman

 

[Eric the meek]

My secret pastime is litter picking, then separating it by recyclables and other. I've been doing it for ages, I thought it was just me . I just get on with it on bike rides or walks. From the South Downs and also in our city, I must collect 1,000's of bits a year.

Then I found out that during the pandemic 100,000's of Brits had started doing it too. Also Matt Baker promotes a scheme.

Love making a difference, far better for my soul than being annoyed about it.

My Dad used to love going to Preston Park. Most times he went, he returned with a bag full of rubbish.

Then there was a father and son tag team who lived on Braybon Avenue. I regularly saw them around town, pushing a pram filled with rubbish they had picked up.