Super Steve Earle
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Fine run and another assist for Albion's 4th goal. I really hope he stays.
[Albion] Facundo Buonanotte **On Loan To Leicester 10/08/24**
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Tom Bombadil
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Cozier Duberry looks a player
deletebeepbeepbeep
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We would be mad to include a buy option unless it was for £50m+.
The boy is class. Keep!!
Baldseagull
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Not even sure loaning out would be right for us, a buy option seems a bad idea, for the lad too, if he stays with an English side till he is 21, he becomes home grown for any PL side, which increases his earning potential.
I really don't get this. It's clear that Gross and Moder are on their way. If, and it's still an if, WBG and Buonanotte are leaving too, it will leave us very short in midfield. Yes, we'll have Wieffer and Yalcouye - two players who have never played in English football and Baleba (a 20 year old with one PL season under his belt. But after that. we'll have Milner - 38 years old and who missed out of last season through injury, Enciso, who missed most of last season through injury and Hinshelwood, who is 19 and played last season as right back. Where's the experience in that lot?
AstroSloth
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Apparently as long as he's contracted to an English club it still counts for the home grown status.
I heard that Saliba has home grown status for Arsenal, despite spending two seasons out on loan.
Baldseagull
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Yes, I meant if we sell after the loan.
ChickenBaltiPie
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I don’t see any danger of him being sold any time soon, a loan, yes maybe given the rest of the talent we presently have. It’s hard to keep up, the rate at which we seem to be improving and the calibre of players we’re signing/developing is quite rapid, and players we covet one season can quite rapidly be improved upon the next. Madness!
Nobby Cybergoat
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He's got enough talent to be the main playmaking midfielder for a top half team in a top league. I've no doubt.
But he's 19. 19! What was Pascal Gross doing age 19? I guess not playing week in week out as a main creative player at the top level.
I just think he's at least a year, maybe two (likely more) from being able to take the job full time. He'll feature and continue to improve. But he needs some help in that position, he'll need to be bought in and out rather than be relied upon. Not least the fan pressure to be the new Pascal Gross will be a lot to deal with. And as you suggest, he lacks maturity, which again, I can't hold against a 19 year old.
de la zouch
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I don’t think we have any intention of selling him, I also concur that a loan seems counterproductive. He is a fantastic talent, who is yet to find his niche. However at 19 this is not wholly surprising given his age. If he can get c20 starts and a number of subs appearances for us at the top level he will continue to develop, go up in value and may stumble upon his #1 position.
Silverhatch
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Plenty of judges saying Mainoo can be United’s creative fulcrum. Why can’t FB be ours?
I think he's a great talent. Of our gifted South-American trio I think Enciso and Sarmiento play like they are the best kids in the playground but he plays a more mature game (and that's not to say I don't rate Enciso and Sarmiento, I think there's a place for all them to rotate in the side). He'll become a regular Argentine international for sure.
He's not a diver for the hundred millionth time. He's a skilful winger who often gets fouled, more than anyone else we own. See my previous post below (#1522), and direct reply to you on this (#1530).
If you could legitimise your problems with Facu with facts, that may add something to the debate, yet you Swan back on here and come up with the same rubbish as you used to.
ChickenBaltiPie
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He does a lot right. He’s young. Full of potential etc etc etc, I don’t have a great deal of criticism for him, he will improve and improve, no doubt, but in my ignorance, I suggest he can and will get stronger, steadier on his feet and be able to ride challenges better…he also needs to improve his decision making, look up and around him more, have better positional awareness of his team mates and an available pass and not try to do too much on his own. Typical criticism of a young player, keen to do well and impress, no bad thing by any means, but his efforts need to be more focussed towards a team effort. He often does SO MUCH right and yet tries to go just that bit too far and do that bit too much when he can utilise his team mates more. IMO. (Equally true of Enciso too perhaps?)
I’ve lost track of the times I’ve been in the midst of ‘applauding’ his brilliance only to cut myself off with ‘oh FFS’ or something of the like!
…and that’s exactly what I mean, the most frustrating part of his (inexperienced) game for me, is knowing when you’ve done enough, realising you can’t do any more and make the pass, not just keep going until you’ve single-handedly put it in the net or have been dispossessed. There will be occasions, OF COURSE, when you do single-handedly engineer a wonder goal, but 99/100 you’re better off using your team mates! This superior decision making, in the moment, only comes with maturity and/or experience.
What the hell do I know, but a healthy, considered rotation of Enciso/Buonanotte/Sarmiento seems to me to be in both the players and the clubs best interests. They each would’ve got more than enough (and not too much) game time last season if they’d all been fit etc, and I strongly suspect, even without Europe, it’d be the same this season coming.
I’ve lost track of the times I’ve been in the midst of ‘applauding’ his brilliance only to cut myself off with ‘oh FFS’ or something of the like!
…and that’s exactly what I mean, the most frustrating part of his (inexperienced) game for me, is knowing when you’ve done enough, realising you can’t do any more and make the pass, not just keep going until you’ve single-handedly put it in the net or have been dispossessed. There will be occasions, OF COURSE, when you do single-handedly engineer a wonder goal, but 99/100 you’re better off using your team mates! This superior decision making, in the moment, only comes with maturity and/or experience.
What the hell do I know, but a healthy, considered rotation of Enciso/Buonanotte/Sarmiento seems to me to be in both the players and the clubs best interests. They each would’ve got more than enough (and not too much) game time last season if they’d all been fit etc, and I strongly suspect, even without Europe, it’d be the same this season coming.
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Really good point, but I can't see Sarmiento being part of that rotation.
I saw quite an interesting predicted set up online somewhere where they seemed to think that we'll play with 3 CMs. Weiffer and Baleba (with one playing a hybrid CDM/CB), and a more attacking technical midfielder that they thought was likely to be Enciso (maybe as you say, backed up by Facu, with maybe Gilmour/Dahoud or Moran as the other option depending on transfers).
Sorry I'm not in the camp "when our players dive it is skillful/clever, when others do it it is horrible".
He gets fouled sometimes, more often than not he throws himself to the ground.
In your post you compared Buonanotte with players like Ayew and Grealish, two players whos entire game revolves around diving and winning cheap free kicks. You also mentioned Joel Veltman who dies eleven times every game if someone touches him.
A player winning a lot of fouls does not mean he isn't a diver. Your whole argument is flawed.