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[Football] Evertons new stadium



Weststander

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Easy 10

Brain dead MUG SHEEP
Jul 5, 2003
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Sadly I remember being jealous of Millwall’s new stadium when we were in exile at Gillingham. Love how we are dissing other clubs stadiums these days :lolol:

Me too. And I was blown away by Reading's stadium when I first went there :lolol:

Actually, one thing the Madejski has going for it is the massively steep rake of the seats. Thats something I wish they'd done at the Amex.
 




Icy Gull

Back on the rollercoaster
Jul 5, 2003
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Me too. And I was blown away by Reading's stadium when I first went there :lolol:

Actually, one thing the Madejski has going for it is the massively steep rake of the seats. Thats something I wish they'd done at the Amex.

Madejski had a vision of the club being self sufficient after his investment in the the stadium. Eerie parallels with the Albion.....
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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I wouldn't rule out the idiot faction that still exists in football despite the corporisation (is that a word? Should be, you must know what I mean by it)
It would be if you added 'at' to it: corporatisation
 






Surf's Up

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Jul 17, 2011
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Looks leading edge and adventurous from the outside but dull and utilitarian inside
 


Gritt23

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Jul 7, 2003
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I get recent stadium additions in the US have been incredible but they get huge local gov subsidies and much bigger corporate sponsorship deals and can therefore support the average build cost of c$1bln.

Football infrastructure spend in this country is bobbins by comparison.

The more recent NFL stadiums seem to be going up at circa $1bn, and generally they do a long-term naming rights deal (longer term that we generally do here) to fund about 20% of the cost. I think the Viking stadium - superb btw, on my bucket list to visit - was about $1.1bn with $220m coming from US Bank for a 25 year naming deal.

Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see that cost is the big driver for the new football stadiums over here. Are we honestly suggesting, poor little football teams just don't have the wealth to build what they would really like to build?

Whatever the reasons behind it, the only new build stadium I've been seriously impressed by the design of, and been desperate to go to, has been Tottenham, and by coincidence or not, it has been heavily influenced by the NFL, and has been branded in NFL circles as "the first purpose built NFL stadium to be built in the UK".

Whereas, I can't remember the last new NFL stadium that was built that didn't have me rapidly adding to my bucket list of stadium porn to witness first hand. Actually, that's not true, I'm enough of an anorak to know that it's the new 49ers, Levi Stadium, which is a much better design than the old Candlestick Park (baseball and NFL in the same stadium does work aesthetically) but is essentially just a (very) big open air stadium. Nothing to blow you away from the design.
 






Triggaaar

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Maybe I'm wrong, but I just don't see that cost is the big driver for the new football stadiums over here. Are we honestly suggesting, poor little football teams just don't have the wealth to build what they would really like to build?
Yes. There are 32 NFL teams for a country with a population of 330 million. We've got a population of 59 million, with 92 professional clubs (maybe plus a few in the conference).
 


AnotherArch

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Apr 2, 2009
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As it appears to be surrounded by water in three sides, I wonder how quickly the stadium and it's immediate vicinity could be evacuated in an emergency. Life jackets under seats?
At least you will be able to purchase a boat parking space and there will be space behind the away end to park the away supporters' ferries.
 




Gregory2Smith1

J'les aurai!
Sep 21, 2011
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Auch
Thankfully, most football fans disagree with you. It’s not about “Working well” as you put it.

what do Liverpool fans think of this?

would you have preferred a brand new stadium or a re-developed Anfield

I know you keep your history that way,but Everton have that to at Goodison

but I wouldn't mind betting Everton fans are quite excited about this

I was lucky enough to stand on the Kop before the seats went in and the noise was something else
so I'm certainly not knocking the place

just looking into the future
do you think Liverpool would consider re-locating?

or even doing a Spurs
 


Gritt23

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Yes. There are 32 NFL teams for a country with a population of 330 million. We've got a population of 59 million, with 92 professional clubs (maybe plus a few in the conference).

Similar capacities. They don't squeeze the population of the country into them.

You think it comes down to money, and a lack of it amongst our football teams? The teams are no about net profits these days, they are play things for the ridiculously wealthy billionaires around the globe. Just check out the net worth of the owners of the clubs here. They can afford to build whatever they want, whatever their enormous egos desire.

Maybe it is, and we build to what we can afford, but I don't see it myself..
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Similar capacities. They don't squeeze the population of the country into them.
But more demand for tickets, so higher pricing, and then also the TV rights will be high because so many will be tuning in.

You think it comes down to money, and a lack of it amongst our football teams?
I don't know, I'm just guessing. Are the US teams all losing a shit ton of money?
The teams are no about net profits these days, they are play things for the ridiculously wealthy billionaires around the globe. Just check out the net worth of the owners of the clubs here. They can afford to build whatever they want, whatever their enormous egos desire.
That still only applies to a few teams. Arsenal only have a £40m transfer budget, Spurs never buy anyone, Utd owners want to make a profit.

Maybe it is, and we build to what we can afford, but I don't see it myself..
Well obviously it's down to money, what else would it be down to? It's not like the owners and their advisors are too stupid to realise they could do better.
 






Gritt23

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But more demand for tickets, so higher pricing, and then also the TV rights will be high because so many will be tuning in.

I don't know, I'm just guessing. Are the US teams all losing a shit ton of money?
That still only applies to a few teams. Arsenal only have a £40m transfer budget, Spurs never buy anyone, Utd owners want to make a profit.

Well obviously it's down to money, what else would it be down to? It's not like the owners and their advisors are too stupid to realise they could do better.

Various points there to cover.

Nope, don't think it's higher pricing. I've been to a few games in the States, and always found the pricing to be very reasonable. Not noticably more expensive than a top Premier League game.
Nope, NFL teams do not lose a "shit tonne of money" largely because they have a salary cap for players, which works on a % of revenue, which stops them getting themselves into trouble.
I'm only really talking about a small percentage of clubs. I do realise Southampton aren't about to spend £800m on a new stadium. But those billionaire owners can literally do whatever they want, build whatever they want. They just end up settling for rather uninspiring designs.

Just my opinion of course, others may absolutely delight at the designs we see, but for me, other than Spurs, nothing has really wowed me for a while. Although the "ring of indifference" at Arsenal really is something to behold. The bar we found ourselves in (by accident after [MENTION=70]Easy 10[/MENTION] went wondering off the wrong way) really was something else.
 


Napper

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Jul 9, 2003
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Typical Everton for me.

Always seem to have big ideas but never really turn up for the party. Seem to shout about themselves but they really are a nothingness nowadays.

Also the Quietest away fans with the most limited song collection (rich coming from us) I've heard at the Amex.
 


Triggaaar

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Oct 24, 2005
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Goldstone
Nope, NFL teams do not lose a "shit tonne of money" largely because they have a salary cap for players
Well there you go. Our football teams have to spend money on players if they're to compete, so they don't have a billion left to spend on the ground.

I'm only really talking about a small percentage of clubs. I do realise Southampton aren't about to spend £800m on a new stadium. But those billionaire owners can literally do whatever they want, build whatever they want. They just end up settling for rather uninspiring designs.
Which ones are you talking about? City owners could have spent more, but because of reasons already discussed, the bar isn't that high in this country, so there's not much for them to out-do. The owners City also presumably care less about what a building in Manchester looks like, than the US owners care about a building in their city.

Just my opinion of course, others may absolutely delight at the designs we see, but for me, other than Spurs, nothing has really wowed me for a while.
It won't just be you, it's a simple fact that they have more space and more money to spend on stadiums in the US, for reasons discussed.
 




Palacefinder General

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Plus Triggaar, unlike in the States, Everton FC don't move to Colchester overnight and become Essex City FC, Colchester United subsequently moving to Manchester and becoming the Rainy City Hellcats FC while Arsenal come to a new stadium in Sussex built on the Goldstone Retail Park and become AFC South Coast Angels or similar.
 




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