I think I’m correct in saying England have only beaten one or two top 10 ranked team in normal time in knockout stage since 1966.
[Football] Euros 2024 - Round of 16 (England vs Slovakia & Spain vs Georgia)
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Randy McNob
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Just a few Leffe's, feeling fine and dandyHow’s the head this morning?
I apologise for supporting the England team rather than jumping on the hate bandwagon
Garry Nelson's Left Foot
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I think we're talking at slightly cross purposes as your responding to something that wasn't quite my point.
My point is that there is a section of the public who seem to actively want England to fail and will take every and any opportunity to denigrate the team and everything associated with it.
It is clear we're not playing well and are a mile away from being the sum of our parts, let alone more than them.
Nevertheless if we had won all of our games and played well in them there would still be people queuing up to attack the team, saying things along the lines of:
Flat track bullies, can beat the small teams but will lose to the first half decent team we face.
It doesn't matter how well they're playing, England will bottle it. They alway do.
If we win it'll be because of the easy draw.
Etc etc.
Some people justdont want the national team to succeed. That's my point, not that people are moaning about our poor performances and they shouldn't be.
Pretty good, then.
Means we've won as many knockout matches away as Italy and Germany have each won actual world cups. Not as many as Brazil, though.
Thunder Bolt
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Thanks. I thought it sounded improbable.
It's a shame we didn't take the World Cup seriously in the early days. We probably would have cleaned up in the '30s when Uruguay and Italy were winning it, but we didn't think it worth bothering with as we were so far ahead of the rest of the world (probably true, too, back then). We preferred to play the Home Nations.
Then failing to select Clough as manager was another example of the FA shooting themselves in the foot. If anyone was going to get a trophy out of a group of players it was him.
We came very close to getting to the final in 1990, and after beating German would have had a very good chance against a lacklustre Argentina.
Dodgy refereeing and dodgy penalty-taking by Kane contributed to our exit in Qatar. It's weird because I thought we were good in Qatar. How have we gone from that to this in under 2 years?
Then failing to select Clough as manager was another example of the FA shooting themselves in the foot. If anyone was going to get a trophy out of a group of players it was him.
We came very close to getting to the final in 1990, and after beating German would have had a very good chance against a lacklustre Argentina.
Dodgy refereeing and dodgy penalty-taking by Kane contributed to our exit in Qatar. It's weird because I thought we were good in Qatar. How have we gone from that to this in under 2 years?
Sounds about right.
It's a bit of a national embarrassment actually. Perhaps we need the government to do something like they did when we slumped to our lowest ever medal tally in the Olympics. They introduced the National Lottery and with Lottery funding our medal haul shot up. What could they do to help?
Most want England to do well, but equally many are just fed up with the hype, entitlement and disappointment which goes with following England. I'm of an age where I have seen this repeatedly decade after decade. This tournament seems to be especially toxic with players arguing on the pitch, fans booing and luzzing stuff at Southgate. Football is supposed to be fun.
This said, I am getting a lot of enjoyment out of this tournament. Some nations, both big and small, have been utterly superb and are a joy to watch. Same for the fans, the Scots, the Germans and especially the Dutch have been great fun. Oh, and that Major Tom song is superb. I dont actually need England to win, just for the whole experience to be more enjoyable.
Randy McNob
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The FA's biggest cock up was hiring 2 clueless foreign managers
I'm guessing that's a typo.
Oh god, what did he say? (please don't make me watch the whole thing, just tell me his comment)
Indeed - tbh, the tournament should be held in Germany every time - relatively central position, good public transport, great fans, very welcoming.
Randy McNob
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Because that's tournament football, it's about winning and results. Portugal 8 years ago were awful to watch, how they won it is anyone's guess, Spain 2006 had one of the best squads ever taken to a tournament, they won it but almost all their games were boring to watch.
Would you rather we were a bit like 2004, play 1 or 2 scintiliating performances and LOOK like winning. Or do you want to ACTUALLY win it?
Jurgen Klopp.
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I agree in the main about Southgate having no tactical nous and any perceived success is inspite of him, not because of him.
Everyone including ex pro keeps saying the same thing "the structure and balance is wrong" and it strikes me, that this fact shows up Southgate for his lack of tactical ability.
All the top managers may have systems they prefer to play, but the real top managers will look at a squad and its talents and come up with the best system to maximise the players and talent in the squad...... not Southgate.
For him, he is totally wedded to 4-2-3-1 it doesn't matter the players or if another system could work better for the talented individuals, he will only try and shoehorn players into the only system he wants to play....thus the stupid comments about not having replaced Kalvin Phillips.
Potter for all his sins, was very tactically flexible and could adjust systems, even in game to get most out of individuals, and would tactically be a massive upgrade on a nice guy who is totally out of his depth tactically and locked rigidly to a one size fits all defensive minded formation.
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