[News] Euro MPs vote to end summer time clock changes

[Acker79]

Have you got a link to show that this wouldn't be compulsory?

I already posted a link to the guardian's report, which Hans quoted. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-go-forward-change-2019-daylight-savings-time

There's also this one: https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-votes-to-end-daylight-savings/a-48064185
"Under the proposals, each member state would decide whether to continue with twice-a-year clock changes or stick permanently to summer or winter time.
Clock ticking
All 28 member states would need to inform the European Commission of their choice ahead of the proposed switch, by April 2020. They would then coordinate with the bloc's executive so that their decisions do not disrupt the functioning of the single market."

and this one: https://www.thelocal.de/20190304/cl...ropean-parliament-meets-to-discuss-its-future
" The European Parliament’s Traffic Commission has voted 23 to 11 to abolish daylight savings in the EU, effective 2021.
The vote is not final however, with the Council of Member States still requiring a vote on the matter in order to get a Europe-wide consensus.
If the Council votes to abolish daylight savings, each member state will have to decide themselves whether or not to implement the change.
This could potentially be problematic, particularly in the case that some member states make the move and others decide against it."

 

[hans kraay fan club]

Well, that's good news.

'Good news' because you like the idea of the UK vetoing an EU directive, or 'good news' because you actually think that arbitrarily changing all the clocks in the country twice a year serves a useful purpose?

 

[Trufflehound]

"so they consult the public across the EU, but 70% of the results are from Germans. WTF?

They consulted the public across all 28 states including the UK. If only the Germans were arsed enough about the decision to voice an opinion on it, that's hardly the Commission's fault is it?

 

[Green Cross Code Man]

Bloody EU, telling us all what to do. What if we don't want to make our own decisions, eh? What then?

Make a meme?

 

[pastafarian]

They consulted the public across all 28 states including the UK. If only the Germans were arsed enough about the decision to voice an opinion on it, that's hardly the Commission's fault is it?

Should have had a national referendum then do the vote again if the losing side didnt like the result

 

[beorhthelm]

a joyful clusterfudge ahead if members really do get to choose which timezone to use, changing clocks as you cross borders. dont see that as likely, they'll all happen to chose the same timezone. i dont think this will pass through to law as they'll remember why time is changed, to extend the day and save energy.

its interesting for UK respondents, and elsewhere, to be overwhelmingly in favor as it doesn't account for which timezone is fixed. do you want longer evenings in summer or longer mornings in winter? present people with the details of the change and consequences, not just the principle of some perceived inconvenience (sound familiar?)

 

[NooBHA]

Couldn't be interested in the slightest, whether the EU change

Couldn't be interested in the slightest, whether the UK changes or not

I would rather everyone put their backs into making decisions on something that really makes a difference

 

[GT49er]

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/summertime/news/2018-08-31-consultation-outcome_en

82% of UK respondents would abolish biannual clock changes.

That genuinely does surprise me. I know it's a bit of a bummer effectively having to get up an hour earlier one day a year, but the fact that it's on a Sunday rather ameliorates that. Most people I know love it when the evenings are suddenly lighter - sign that summer's on it's way - and I absolutely love my extra hour in bed every Autumn!

I wonder who they asked? (not that I am suggesting the EU would set out to get statistics to get the 'right' result, oh no, no, no).

 

[GT49er]

'Good news' because you like the idea of the UK vetoing an EU directive, or 'good news' because you actually think that arbitrarily changing all the clocks in the country twice a year serves a useful purpose?

Good news because I like changing the clocks every year. I remember a time when we tried not doing it for a couple of years; it wasn't good.

 

[neilbard]

Not given much of a mention in the media, SNP keeping stum, don't want to be seen criticizing their european partners at this time

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-47704345

Shocking, it must be time for a referendum..................Oh!

 

[Hamilton]

No they don't. The 'choice' for the UK would be stick with GMT all year round or stick with BST all year round - no changes during the year allowed.

Frankly the EU can do one on this as far as I'm concerned; one more reason for leaving.

You've clearly not read the consultation document nor the communications from the European Commission. But hey ho, I'm hardly surprised.

In the consultation those participating from member states were asked whether they wanted to ditch the 'change' and they were asked whether they wanted to remain on winter or summertime. With the except of Greece, Cyprus and in one instance Malta, the responses were uniform and in support of proposed changes.

The statistical anomaly is Germany, where 70% of responses came from. However, extracting all German responses will still have given the EC the same conclusions. The UK responses and German responses were remarkably, and unsurprisingly, similar.

I'm sure that had the UK Parliament undertaken this survey and suggested that we ditch daylight saving then you would have been up in arms that EU Law was preventing that change. However, the European Parliament vote yesterday has resulted in the EC being able to give member states the option - however as most EU citizens do support a change I would imagine that member states will look to the results of the consultation and make the change.

In fact, back in 2015 UK research discovered that UK citizens would support a change albeit by a smaller margin.

https://yougov.co.uk/topics/lifesty...ime-stop-changing-clocks-daylight-saving-time

But you continue with your anti-EU rhetoric.

 

[sully]

a joyful clusterfudge ahead if members really do get to choose which timezone to use, changing clocks as you cross borders. dont see that as likely, they'll all happen to chose the same timezone. i dont think this will pass through to law as they'll remember why time is changed, to extend the day and save energy.

I don't understand how it saves energy (or extends the day - on one occasion we LOSE an hour!). Are you able to expand on that, as it would be interesting to understand the logic.

It seems to me that we have far too many daylight hours when folk are generally asleep. In the Autumn, it suddenly goes from daylight to dark at "home time" for most workers. I understand that this increases the number of road accidents.

If I had a choice, I'd stick to BST. Changing the clocks is just a nonsense for the majority of the population nowadays.

 

[kjgood]

Bloody EU, telling us all what to do. What if we don't want to make our own decisions, eh? What then?

I know .........lets leave and go our own way. Hows that for a suggestion?

 

[beorhthelm]

I don't understand how it saves energy. Are you able to expand on that, as it would be interesting to understand the logic.

simply you get up later and go to bed later relative to the sunlight in summer. on GMT in summer you'd spend more energy for lighting in the evening, if we switch to BST we'd using more energy for lighting in winter mornings. the problem is our 9-5 workday and hours of sleep is rather poorly align to sunlight hours so we end up using a lot of energy for lighting one end while sleeping in daylight the other. the US recently changed when they do their DST by few weeks, to the beginning of March and first week in Novemeber, to save x billions. they did not do it for giggles.

 

[Jim Van Winkle]

And the money we save from not changing the clocks can be spent on the NHS.

 

[Triggaaar]

https://ec.europa.eu/transport/themes/summertime/news/2018-08-31-consultation-outcome_en

82% of UK respondents would abolish biannual clock changes.

What's that got to do with my post?

 

[Triggaaar]

They consulted the public across all 28 states including the UK. If only the Germans were arsed enough about the decision to voice an opinion on it, that's hardly the Commission's fault is it?

If it was asked in the same way across the countries, then no, that would not be the Commission's fault. For 70% of results to come from 1/28th of the countries however, is so extreme that I can't imagine the question was put in the same way to each country.

 

[Hamilton]

If it was asked in the same way across the countries, then no, that would not be the Commission's fault. For 70% of results to come from 1/28th of the countries however, is so extreme that I can't imagine the question was put in the same way to each country.

Maybe it was only asked in German? [emoji16]


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[Notters]

a joyful clusterfudge ahead if members really do get to choose which timezone to use, changing clocks as you cross borders. dont see that as likely, they'll all happen to chose the same timezone. i dont think this will pass through to law as they'll remember why time is changed, to extend the day and save energy.

its interesting for UK respondents, and elsewhere, to be overwhelmingly in favor as it doesn't account for which timezone is fixed. do you want longer evenings in summer or longer mornings in winter? present people with the details of the change and consequences, not just the principle of some perceived inconvenience (sound familiar?)

But they've shown that there would be far fewer road traffic accidents if we were on permanent British Summer Time as we'd have less dark commuting hours.

 

[Triggaaar]

I already posted a link to the guardian's report, which Hans quoted. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...-go-forward-change-2019-daylight-savings-time

There's also this one: https://www.dw.com/en/eu-parliament-votes-to-end-daylight-savings/a-48064185
"Under the proposals, each member state would decide whether to continue with twice-a-year clock changes or stick permanently to summer or winter time.

Weird that the BBC article doesn't say the same thing.