[Politics] ** EU Elections Poll ** - The vote that we never thought we would get!

[Baker lite]

Expected nothing less, and I’ve known you on this forum for at least 15 years and your online persona defines “know it all”

He does know it all, you seem to forget that voters that want to leave don’t know anything.


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[WATFORD zero]

Decentralizing European Political Control

Escaping Illiberal Values

Increased Free Trade

Reduced Economic Migration

I could go on but you will critique everything that I say which if fine by me except you have no real clue like me what a post Brexit UK will be like , I voted for change and was prepared for the risk.

Thanks. Couple of things

Maybe you could explain how, by leaving a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world it will 'increase free trade' ? Surely it would immediately plummet on leaving. You could debate how long it would take to get back to current levels or even increased levels in the long term, but i don't think there is any debate that it will go down in the short and medium term.

Why would a government that hasn't and won't implement the existing controls over Economic Immigration (both inside and outside the EU), suddenly change and start to do so after Brexit ?

 

[daveinplzen]

He does know it all, you seem to forget that voters that want to leave don’t know anything.


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Maybe they do, but when asked a question about it, suddenly lose the ability to provide a coherent, demonstrably true answer.
Maybe you can? Firstly, what are the economic advantages.

 

[Chicken Run]

So, prove to me that im wrong. No need to start getting personal because you cant answer.

Lets go with just the trade. You say there will be ''increased free trade''. Could you expand on that?
Im really curious to know what you mean.

Since voters cast their ballots in favor of Brexit, doomsday talk has been common among elites and media commentators. Many have contended that leaving the EU would be a disaster for British trade. However, research shows that the EU is gradually becoming less of a trade priority for Britain.

Approximately 44 percent of British exports in goods and services went to EU member countries in 2017. This is roughly £274 billion out of £616 billion in total exports. Additionally, the EU’s share of the world economy has been shrinking despite growth in its total economic output. In other words, the rest of the world economy is growing faster than the EU’s economy.

 

[Raleigh Chopper]

Pathetic

That's what I thought too but I decided to leave that word out of my post regarding your response out out of courtesy.
But go on then, give me a list as it's all going so well.
But not the ones so far because you have left the gate wide open.

 

[Two Professors]

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

The European Union is not a place ffs

He's so engrossed in his EU utopia ,Poor blokes Deluded
regards
DR

 

[daveinplzen]

Since voters cast their ballots in favor of Brexit, doomsday talk has been common among elites and media commentators. Many have contended that leaving the EU would be a disaster for British trade. However, research shows that the EU is gradually becoming less of a trade priority for Britain.

Approximately 44 percent of British exports in goods and services went to EU member countries in 2017. This is roughly £274 billion out of £616 billion in total exports. Additionally, the EU’s share of the world economy has been shrinking despite growth in its total economic output. In other words, the rest of the world economy is growing faster than the EU’s economy.

Word for word cut & paste from Mises Institute. I see. Did it expand to tell you about the imports and exports to to and from Non EU countries, via EU trade deals?

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Word for word cut & paste from Mises Institute. I see. Did it expand to tell you about the exports to Non EU countries, via EU trade deals?

Why not come back to Blighty and sort it all out when we leave, I mean you're the expert maybe get Watford bloke along for the ride what a winning team that would be
regards
DR

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Thanks. Couple of things

Maybe you could explain how, by leaving a free trade deal with the largest trading bloc in the world it will 'increase free trade' ? Surely it would immediately plummet on leaving. You could debate how long it would take to get back to current levels or even increased levels in the long term, but i don't think there is any debate that it will go down in the short and medium term.

Why would a government that hasn't and won't implement the existing controls over Economic Immigration (both inside and outside the EU), suddenly change and start to do so after Brexit ?

Don't worry I'm sure the EU will still want to trade with us as you well know tarrifs or no tarrifs
how did your vote go BTW
Regards
DR

 

[daveinplzen]

Why not come back to Blighty and sort it all out when we leave, I mean you're the expert maybe get Watford bloke along for the ride what a winning team that would be
regards
DR

Im no expert, but my eyes see.. Sterling down, job losses in whats left of our manufacturing industry, fanciful, and completely unrealistic ideas of trade deals, and bs that has been discredited, time and time again.
At what point will you notice?
Actually, forget it. You wont.

 

[daveinplzen]

Don't worry I'm sure the EU will still want to trade with us as you well know tarrifs or no tarrifs
how did your vote go BTW
Regards
DR

Nobody has said they wont trade with UK. You, and your vote, have made it easier for them, and probably more to their advantage. Good effort.

 

[Pretty pink fairy]

Nobody has said they wont trade with UK. You, and your vote, have made it easier for them, and probably more to their advantage. Good effort.

Absolute tosh Dave ,you're sounding desperate today if you don't mind me saying i mean that bank of England coment you made , similar to the one they made in 2016

regards
DR

 

[daveinplzen]

Absolute tosh Dave ,you're sounding desperate today if you don't mind me saying i mean that bank of England coment you made , similar to the one they made in 2016

regards
DR

Maybe, instead of flapping your gums aimlessly, prove me wrong.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

*cough* The recent Brexit 'referendum rerun' resulted in a massive fall in support for Brexit, with the Brexit party getting far fewer than the 51% they should have got. Anyone who supports Brexit would have voted for Farrage. What happened? Farrage now demands a seat at the Brexit negociation table Sorry, Nige, I thought you need to get more than 50% to change reality? But even then, actually, reality doesn't change, does it. Even with 51%. Brexit will never happen unless Nigel and his Nig31s win a general election, and then go for a non-negociated hard Brexit. This could happen, although Nigel will have to don his fatigues and get his gun in order to defend the instant hard border between Ulster and Eire. Yes, even that might happen. I personally don't think it will though, because as the EU vote showed the support for Brexit, pure Brexit, lovely, lovely Breit has haemorrhaged. It ain't gonna happen, Nige. You can put that erection away. Brexit won't happen *cough*

 

[pb21]

Interesting, albeit expected, results.

I think it can be fairly concluded that no deal is not wanted by a majority of people, and, by the same logic, neither is remian.

Therfore some kind of deal is the answer, that neither side ideally wants, so maybe the actual answer is just that the solution that maximises peoples preference.

 

[Mellotron]

Bit different, but of course you know that ....2016 two horse race..............2019 10 horse race .......and you are assuming everyone who didn`t vote is a remainer. why ?

I don’t assume that. My point is the number of people who definitely want Brexit has gone down MASSIVELY. That’s indisputable.

 

[Baker lite]

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Interesting, albeit expected, results.

I think it can be fairly concluded that no deal is not wanted by a majority of people, and, by the same logic, neither is remian.

Therfore some kind of deal is the answer, that neither side ideally wants, so maybe the actual answer is just that the solution that maximises peoples preference.

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[Mellotron]

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Interesting, albeit expected, results.

I think it can be fairly concluded that no deal is not wanted by a majority of people, and, by the same logic, neither is remian.

Therfore some kind of deal is the answer, that neither side ideally wants, so maybe the actual answer is just that the solution that maximises peoples preference.

Agreed. Fairest compromise that respects the result of a referendum from 3 years ago and reflects current wishes would be the softest Brexit possible. Still not ideal but the closest to a compromise we can get.

 

[Hampster Gull]

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Interesting, albeit expected, results.

I think it can be fairly concluded that no deal is not wanted by a majority of people, and, by the same logic, neither is remian.

Therfore some kind of deal is the answer, that neither side ideally wants, so maybe the actual answer is just that the solution that maximises peoples preference.

Now there are some facts around the lies, a democratic vote on where the politicians have got to seems the only choice. It is going to get interesting