[Football] England v Ireland

[jcdenton08]

So if (without already having a yellow) he'd gone in over the top, an out-and-out leg-breaker, a red card any hour of the day, it would just have been a penalty, but no red card because of double jeopardy ..............but 'just' a fairly innocuous foul, and it's a second yellow and a red and a penalty?
Sounds like the double jeopardy thing hasn't been thought through very well!

No, see above, serious foul play (what you described) or violent conduct are never exempt.

 

[GT49er]

No, see above, serious foul play (what you described) or violent conduct are never exempt.

So what exactly is exempt?

 

[Weststander]

Despite much NSC mocking early doors, Carsley’s done a decent job overall. Far more adventurous than Southgate in varying everything. Tonight missing all the players pulled out by the likes of Arteta.

I wonder if a desperate Steve Parish is preparing an approach?

 

[Triggaaar]

So if (without already having a yellow) he'd gone in over the top, an out-and-out leg-breaker, a red card any hour of the day, it would just have been a penalty, but no red card because of double jeopardy ...........

No.

The double jeopardy rule is where a player tried to win the ball, fails, fouls the opponent and therefore prevents a goal scoring opportunity. This would be a red, but if it's in the penalty area, it's reduced to a yellow, because the opponents get a penalty and still has a goal scoring opportunity.

In your example: A straight red for violent conduct is a straight red regardless. Even if it's penalty.

 

[jcdenton08]

So what exactly is exempt?

Serious foul play and violent conduct always gets you a red card if the law is applied correctly. If it takes place in the penalty box, it’s a penalty and a red card.

The “double jeopardy” guidelines were introduced to stop a red card and a penalty being given for a professional foul (pull back on a shirt, trip, push) in the box.

So if a striker is running in on goal, and the goalkeeper/last defender commits a DOGSO offence (denial of goalscoring opportunity), a red card will only be given if the foul occurs outside of the penalty area.

If it happens inside the penalty area, a yellow card and a penalty will be awarded. If the player has already been booked, he will be shown a second yellow card and sent off.

Double jeopardy is exclusively for straight red card professional fouls in the penalty area.

 

[Harry Wilson's tackle]

That was nice.

 

[Javeaseagull]

Wherever England go from here we know who the next England manager will be!

 

[jcdenton08]

Despite much NSC mocking early doors, Carsley’s done a decent job overall. Far more adventurous than Southgate in varying everything. Tonight missing all the players pulled out by the likes of Arteta.

I wonder if a desperate Steve Parish is preparing an approach?

Traditionally Carsley would be the one after the next appointment.

It goes ambitious manager with attacking football —> relegation zone, sacked —> dinosaur to get them to 10th-15th and safe —> hover around there for a season or two —> sack manager for not kicking on; replace with ambitious manager with attacking football

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

So if (without already having a yellow) he'd gone in over the top, an out-and-out leg-breaker, a red card any hour of the day, it would just have been a penalty, but no red card because of double jeopardy ..............but 'just' a fairly innocuous foul, and it's a second yellow and a red and a penalty?
Sounds like the double jeopardy thing hasn't been thought through very well!

Violent conduct is a red card offence. The double jeopardy rule doesn't come into it because it isn't designed to let someone stay on the field when they've committed a violent act.

The double jeopardy rule only applies to penalties where the player is the last man so would normally be sent off for denial of a goal scoring opportunity, if they've made a genuine attempt to play the ball, the rule allows the ref to punish them with a yellow card. However if that is their second yellow card then they are still correct to send the player off.

 

[Weststander]

Clearing the nonsense from the Englishmen here gutted here that we won. Extract from Law 12, verbatim:

“CAUTIONS FOR UNSPORTING BEHAVIOUR

There are different circumstances when a player must be cautioned for unsporting behaviour including if a player:

• denies an opponent an obvious goal-scoring opportunity by committing an offence which was an attempt to play the ball or challenge for the ball and the referee awards a penalty kick”.

So when you next see a PL ref not do that, they’ve screwed up.

 

[Joey Jo Jo Jr. Shabadoo]

Serious foul play and violent conduct always gets you a red card if the law is applied correctly. If it takes place in the penalty box, it’s a penalty and a red card.

The “double jeopardy” guidelines were introduced to stop a red card and a penalty being given for a professional foul (pull back on a shirt, trip, push) in the box.

So if a striker is running in on goal, and the goalkeeper/last defender commits a DOGSO offence (denial of goalscoring opportunity), a red card will only be given if the foul occurs outside of the penalty area.

If it happens inside the penalty area, a yellow card and a penalty will be awarded. If the player has already been booked, he will be shown a second yellow card and sent off.

Double jeopardy is exclusively for straight red card professional fouls in the penalty area.

The double jeopardy rule only applies if the player has made a genuine attempt to play the ball. A professional foul like a shirt pull with no attempt to play the ball should still be a red card offence even inside the penalty area.

 

[Rdodge30]

5-0
I have just texted Pompey Stevo with the traditional message on these occasions:

“I think we might win the World Cup you know”

 

[lawros left foot]

Gareth who?

 

[jcdenton08]

The double jeopardy rule only applies if the player has made a genuine attempt to play the ball. I professional foul like a shirt pull with no attempt to play the ball should still be a red card offence.

Quite right, but I’ve seen referees bottle this fairly frequently since these guidelines came into place. I think it’s because what is an attempt to play the ball can be quite subjective. If I pull a shirt to gain leverage then take the ball in the commission of the foul, it could be seen as trying to play the ball. It’s a judgement call for the ref/and VAR where applicable

 

[Weststander]

Traditionally Carsley would be the one after the next appointment.

It goes ambitious manager with attacking football —> relegation zone, sacked —> dinosaur to get them to 10th-15th and safe —> hover around there for a season or two —> sack manager for not kicking on; replace with ambitious manager with attacking football

You’re correct. CPFC2010 will be looking at 28 December sacking, with a Red Adair low block merchant brought in, augmented by a big transfers spend and a loanee from Chavski.

 

[Jackthelad]

What happened to Irish football? To go from the team they had in the 90s/early 2000s to the crap they've had for the last decade or so is quite something.

They had some top class players not long ago a player called Declan Rice and Jack Grealish, Michael Keane they looked quality and then they just vanished. Legend has it they were stolen.

 

[GT49er]

What happened to Irish football? To go from the team they had in the 90s/early 2000s to the crap they've had for the last decade or so is quite something.

Is it because they stopped employing an English manager who co-opted English players with Guinness-loving grandads?

 

[VAL1850]

Watching that, I feel 1% of the happiness I felt last week......

 

[Flounce]

What happened to Irish football? To go from the team they had in the 90s/early 2000s to the crap they've had for the last decade or so is quite something.

Time to tell TB to stop fishing in that pond?

 

[Javeaseagull]

Wouldn’t mind betting that there are a few around Europe looking at that result and going Phew! Yes it was only against a 10 man Ireland side but we did have 10 withdrawals.